From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jun 23 11:04:46 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 23 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3091 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Jim, I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, just pulled from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for me is I don't have the 4600 and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended cab short box... if I need to haul something long I'll use my trailer... if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just fine with me... smaller makes more sense to me... it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a big deal. and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is any mold on this one too. ;) There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb condition for about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's shorter and I'm more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd prefer a Ford, but know nothing about them... I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it was fine, turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, didn't seem that long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive that much vehicle back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of those goofy greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff wisely, etc. What's wrong with me anyway? ;) Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, although the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 miles south of me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... and then there will be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice Diesel pickup... :) http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons I'm not highly motivated to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although it's about 1/3 of book value!) 2) have four vehicles already 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't good 4) the engine can be expensive to repair 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a big deal 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best from what I can gather. 7) it's white If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg range in town and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that boring fleet white, and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two months... I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's a screaming deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving south... ;) Jim, save me, buy it... ;) y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the turbo Diesel into the tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may keep the tug, just refine it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty long... that little 4' long box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover for it for when it rains. in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... :( outsourcing does NOT work... but then again the anti-business climate of this state and the unions are directly responsible for that poor decision... I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt myself with options... :) if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the monster carport. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only $4500? Could I drive # it from # there to here?? # # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john # wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 # Diesel? # > To: "diesel-benz list" , "full size jeep # list" , "FParker" , # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, "David Ashby" # > Date: Monday, # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL # with the banks kit... the truck # > had a number of issues, but I could tell # that the extended # > cab, short (6.5) box # > was not too long or hard to handle, # as good or better ride # > than my '94 Blazer... # > # > going to look at the '94 # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. # > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the # ford, although for # > 4600 bucks it's # > a screaming deal, been well cared for # and all that... but # > it is a freight train # > that won't get decent mileage... # read complaints of the # > turning radius, best mileage # > seems to be about 16 # or so... book value is about 12k... # > tempting... # > # > also found a '71 # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at # > it, if it doesn't # > have rust I may # go for it... book value is over $7k for one # > of these things... # > doesn't # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and # > drives even... any # thoughts? # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: # > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, # Diesel/at/ac, clean... # > price is # > # pretty low, truck has the extended # cab/long bed with an # > bed tank and tool boxes... # > # # > # looking on line # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe # > less... # > # # > # is there anything I # should be worried about with a Ford # > F250 Diesel? # > # # > # may go and look # at it this afternoon... I don't want a # > freight train, # > # but the price is # good, the ride should be excellent and # > it has nearly 2k in # > # toolboxes # and fuel tanks included... everything # > works, no drama, and no # > # GM # mickey mouseness to deal with... # > # # > # john # > # # > # # > # # > # # ----- # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # Snohomish, Washington # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? WHAT?!?!? "tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, aftermarket seats"?!?!?! For $4600??!?! That's a STEAL!! I'd take it anyway. But I don't have the cash either... ;) So, you go get it... In a few months you'll be bored with it and I'll pick it up then... By then I should have some cash! And I'd love to see the monster carport! ;) Jim - --- On Tue, 6/23/09, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? > To: "Jim Hoffman" > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "David Ashby" , "diesel-benz list" > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:53 AM > Jim, > > I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, > just pulled > from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for > me is I don't have the 4600 > and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended > cab > short box... if I need to haul something long I'll > use my trailer... > > if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just > fine with me... > smaller makes more sense to me... > > it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a > big deal. > > and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is > any mold on this one too. ;) > > There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb > condition for > about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's > shorter and I'm > more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd > prefer a Ford, but > know nothing about them... > > I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it > was fine, > turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, > didn't seem that > long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive > that much vehicle > back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of > those goofy > greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff > wisely, etc. What's > wrong with me anyway? ;) > > Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, > although > the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 > miles south of > me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... > and then there will > be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice > Diesel pickup... :) > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html > > I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons > I'm not highly motivated > to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: > 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although > it's about 1/3 of book value!) > 2) have four vehicles already > 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't > good > 4) the engine can be expensive to repair > > 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a > big deal > 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best > from what I can gather. > 7) it's white > > > If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg > range in town > and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that > boring fleet white, > and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two > months... > > I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's > a screaming > deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel > tank and pump, > aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving > south... ;) > > Jim, save me, buy it... ;) > > y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the > turbo Diesel into the > tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may > keep the tug, just refine > it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty > long... that little 4' long > box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover > for it for when it rains. > > in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... > :( outsourcing > does NOT work... but then again the anti-business > climate of this state > and the unions are directly responsible for that poor > decision... > > I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt > myself with options... :) > > if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the > monster carport. :) > > john > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only > $4500? Could I drive > # it from > # there to here?? > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john > # wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 > # Diesel? > # > To: "diesel-benz list" , > "full size jeep > # list" , > "FParker" , > # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, > "David Ashby" > # > Date: Monday, > # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM > # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA > # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL > # with the banks kit... the truck > # > had a number of issues, but I could tell > # that the extended > # > cab, short (6.5) box > # > was not too long or hard to handle, > # as good or better ride > # > than my '94 Blazer... > # > > # > going to look at the '94 > # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. > # > > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the > # ford, although for > # > 4600 bucks it's > # > a screaming deal, been well cared for > # and all that... but > # > it is a freight train > # > that won't get decent mileage... > # read complaints of the > # > turning radius, best mileage > # > seems to be about 16 > # or so... book value is about 12k... > # > tempting... > # > > # > also found a '71 > # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at > # > it, if it doesn't > # > have rust I may > # go for it... book value is over $7k for one > # > of these things... > # > doesn't > # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and > # > drives even... any > # thoughts? > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: > # > > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, > # Diesel/at/ac, clean... > # > price is > # > # pretty low, truck has the extended > # cab/long bed with an > # > bed tank and tool boxes... > # > # > # > # looking on line > # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe > # > less... > # > # > # > # is there anything I > # should be worried about with a Ford > # > F250 Diesel? > # > # > # > # may go and look > # at it this afternoon... I don't want a > # > freight train, > # > # but the price is > # good, the ride should be excellent and > # > it has nearly 2k in > # > # toolboxes > # and fuel tanks included... everything > # > works, no drama, and no > # > # GM > # mickey mouseness to deal with... > # > # > # > # john > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # # Snohomish, Washington > # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > # > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? I'm thinking of buying it for the fuel tank alone... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # WHAT?!?!? "tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, # aftermarket seats"?!?!?! For $4600??!?! That's a STEAL!! I'd take # it anyway. But I don't have the cash either... ;) # # So, you go get it... In a few months you'll be bored with it and I'll # pick it up then... By then I should have some cash! And I'd love to # see the monster carport! # # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Tue, 6/23/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "David Ashby" , "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:53 AM # > Jim, # > # > I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, # > just pulled # > from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for # > me is I don't have the 4600 # > and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended # > cab # > short box... if I need to haul something long I'll # > use my trailer... # > # > if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just # > fine with me... # > smaller makes more sense to me... # > # > it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a # > big deal. # > # > and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is # > any mold on this one too. ;) # > # > There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb # > condition for # > about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's # > shorter and I'm # > more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd # > prefer a Ford, but # > know nothing about them... # > # > I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it # > was fine, # > turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, # > didn't seem that # > long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive # > that much vehicle # > back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of # > those goofy # > greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff # > wisely, etc. What's # > wrong with me anyway? ;) # > # > Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, # > although # > the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 # > miles south of # > me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... # > and then there will # > be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice # > Diesel pickup... :) # > # > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html # > # > I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons # > I'm not highly motivated # > to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: # > 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although # > it's about 1/3 of book value!) # > 2) have four vehicles already # > 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't # > good # > 4) the engine can be expensive to repair # > # > 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a # > big deal # > 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best # > from what I can gather. # > 7) it's white # > # > # > If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg # > range in town # > and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that # > boring fleet white, # > and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two # > months... # > # > I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's # > a screaming # > deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel # > tank and pump, # > aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving # > south... ;) # > # > Jim, save me, buy it... ;) # > # > y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the # > turbo Diesel into the # > tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may # > keep the tug, just refine # > it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty # > long... that little 4' long # > box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover # > for it for when it rains. # > # > in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... # > :( outsourcing # > does NOT work... but then again the anti-business # > climate of this state # > and the unions are directly responsible for that poor # > decision... # > # > I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt # > myself with options... :) # > # > if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the # > monster carport. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only # > $4500? Could I drive # > # it from # > # there to here?? # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john # > # wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # > # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 # > # Diesel? # > # > To: "diesel-benz list" , # > "full size jeep # > # list" , # > "FParker" , # > # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, # > "David Ashby" # > # > Date: Monday, # > # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM # > # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA # > # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL # > # with the banks kit... the truck # > # > had a number of issues, but I could tell # > # that the extended # > # > cab, short (6.5) box # > # > was not too long or hard to handle, # > # as good or better ride # > # > than my '94 Blazer... # > # > # > # > going to look at the '94 # > # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. # > # > # > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the # > # ford, although for # > # > 4600 bucks it's # > # > a screaming deal, been well cared for # > # and all that... but # > # > it is a freight train # > # > that won't get decent mileage... # > # read complaints of the # > # > turning radius, best mileage # > # > seems to be about 16 # > # or so... book value is about 12k... # > # > tempting... # > # > # > # > also found a '71 # > # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at # > # > it, if it doesn't # > # > have rust I may # > # go for it... book value is over $7k for one # > # > of these things... # > # > doesn't # > # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and # > # > drives even... any # > # thoughts? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: # > # > # > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, # > # Diesel/at/ac, clean... # > # > price is # > # > # pretty low, truck has the extended # > # cab/long bed with an # > # > bed tank and tool boxes... # > # > # # > # > # looking on line # > # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe # > # > less... # > # > # # > # > # is there anything I # > # should be worried about with a Ford # > # > F250 Diesel? # > # > # # > # > # may go and look # > # at it this afternoon... I don't want a # > # > freight train, # > # > # but the price is # > # good, the ride should be excellent and # > # > it has nearly 2k in # > # > # toolboxes # > # and fuel tanks included... everything # > # > works, no drama, and no # > # > # GM # > # mickey mouseness to deal with... # > # > # # > # > # john # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # ----- # > # > # # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # # Snohomish, Washington # > # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3091 **********************************