From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jun 24 15:28:12 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, June 24 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3092 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: fsj: RE: OT: isuzu 4bt1d Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: Diesel options Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: Diesel options [db] handling Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: RE: OT: isuzu 4bt1d nice. The Cummins is an awesome choice because it usually has the Chevy adapter. That was my first choice, too... but after driving an Isuzu, I'm sold on the 4BD1/2-T. It's just so smooth for a diesel. Watch http://www.youtube.com/v/YGLUB3BfbU4&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1 ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # For infos... scroll down for the youtube demo of the engine started on the # floor.... no vibrations. # # http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=644588 # # Michel # 74wag # # > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:53:54 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? # > # > Jim, # > # > I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, just pulled # > from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for me is I don't have the # 4600 # > and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended cab # > short box... if I need to haul something long I'll use my trailer... # > # > if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just fine with me... # > smaller makes more sense to me... # > # > it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a big deal. # > # > and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is any mold on this one too. # ;) # > # > There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb condition for # > about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's shorter and I'm # > more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd prefer a Ford, but # > know nothing about them... # > # > I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it was fine, # > turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, didn't seem that # > long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive that much vehicle # > back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of those goofy # > greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff wisely, etc. What's # > wrong with me anyway? ;) # > # > Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, although # > the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 miles south of # > me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... and then there will # > be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice Diesel pickup... # :) # > # > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html # > # > I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons I'm not highly # motivated # > to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: # > 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although it's about 1/3 of book value!) # > 2) have four vehicles already # > 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't good # > 4) the engine can be expensive to repair # > 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a big deal # > 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best from what I can gather. # > 7) it's white # > # > # > If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg range in town # > and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that boring fleet white, # > and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two months... # > # > I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's a screaming # > deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, # > aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving south... ;) # > # > Jim, save me, buy it... ;) # > # > y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the turbo Diesel into # the # > tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may keep the tug, # just refine # > it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty long... that little 4' # long # > box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover for it for when it # rains. # > # > in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... :( outsourcing # > does NOT work... but then again the anti-business climate of this state # > and the unions are directly responsible for that poor decision... # > # > I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt myself with # options... :) # > # > if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the monster carport. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only $4500? Could I drive # > # it from # > # there to here?? # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john # > # wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # > # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 # > # Diesel? # > # > To: "diesel-benz list" , "full size jeep # > # list" , "FParker" , # > # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, "David Ashby" # > # > Date: Monday, # > # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM # > # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA # > # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL # > # with the banks kit... the truck # > # > had a number of issues, but I could tell # > # that the extended # > # > cab, short (6.5) box # > # > was not too long or hard to handle, # > # as good or better ride # > # > than my '94 Blazer... # > # > # > # > going to look at the '94 # > # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. # > # > # > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the # > # ford, although for # > # > 4600 bucks it's # > # > a screaming deal, been well cared for # > # and all that... but # > # > it is a freight train # > # > that won't get decent mileage... # > # read complaints of the # > # > turning radius, best mileage # > # > seems to be about 16 # > # or so... book value is about 12k... # > # > tempting... # > # > # > # > also found a '71 # > # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at # > # > it, if it doesn't # > # > have rust I may # > # go for it... book value is over $7k for one # > # > of these things... # > # > doesn't # > # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and # > # > drives even... any # > # thoughts? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: # > # > # > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, # > # Diesel/at/ac, clean... # > # > price is # > # > # pretty low, truck has the extended # > # cab/long bed with an # > # > bed tank and tool boxes... # > # > # # > # > # looking on line # > # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe # > # > less... # > # > # # > # > # is there anything I # > # should be worried about with a Ford # > # > F250 Diesel? # > # > # # > # > # may go and look # > # at it this afternoon... I don't want a # > # > freight train, # > # > # but the price is # > # good, the ride should be excellent and # > # > it has nearly 2k in # > # > # toolboxes # > # and fuel tanks included... everything # > # > works, no drama, and no # > # > # GM # > # mickey mouseness to deal with... # > # > # # > # > # john # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # ----- # > # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # # Snohomish, Washington # > # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Don^Rt worry about storage limits. # http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial # _Storage_062009 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: Diesel options interesting... don't have money or time to track down a newer Diesel... although the Isuzu does look like it's the right size... think I'm gonna try the SD33T in my CJ10A. costs, convenience and availability all point to making a few more improvements to the tug and continue using it as my daily driver... Maybe long term I could find a better Diesel for my J10. There's a lot of very affordable vehicles out there right now... :) so tempting... :) the specs on the '80 scout with the SD33T indicate 20/24 mpg, any idea what the '76-'79 scout was with the sD33? I'm getting a fairly solid 18 mpg overall with the tug... that's a solid 2 mpg better than I got with the 6.2 or 6.5. started looking at a variety of dimensions: wb length width weight est. mpg length in feet CJ10A 93.4 152.8 68.2 4,400 18.0 12.733 XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 3,400 16.0 13.775 WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 3,800 15.0 15.125 300D 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 3,600 28.0 15.550 SJ J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 4,100 15.0 16.167 Honda CRV 103.1 178.0 71.6 3,500 19.0 14.833 K1500 Blazer 111.5 187.7 76.4 6,000 15.0 15.642 Chevy XtndSbx 141.6 218.4 76.8 5,000 16.0 18.200 Chevy XtndLbx 155.5 237.1 76.8 5,000 16.0 19.758 Ford SprCbLB 158.0 247.6 79.7 5,942 20.633 Ford SprCbSB 141.8 231.4 79.7 5,712 19.283 john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # John # # Early 914 had D-Jetronic analog computer controlled EFI, # http://www.rennlist.com/techarticles/djetronicfuel.htm # # later versions had L-Jetronic # # Hope you end up with one of the Isuzu diesels, much newer design than # the old Newer SD33 / SD33T. # # diana # # On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, john wrote: # SNIP # > I have worked on and driven a 914 with the 2.0L before... my boss at Intel # > had # > one... it was one fun little go kart. # > # > Yeah, for $800 I can't go wrong, can hide it in the carport so my wife # > doesn't find it... ;) # > # > have to duct tape my kid's mouth shut so he doesn't go off on about it... # > :) # > # > the guy claims it's a 1.8L and had fuel injection... huh, in '71??? I # > think # > he's confused... it also have ground effects on it... so it sounds like # > it's # > been hacked up a bit... we'll see... with book value at $7k I can't # > really go wrong... rust is not likely an issue... # > # > john # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: Diesel options yes, I agree a Mercedes Diesel would be my choice as well... actually the 3.0L TD out of an '87 300D or a 2.5L TD out of a '91 300D would be my first choices, the OM617 required valve adjustments and a turbo that kicks in later... Benz Model/Engine - -1991 300d 2.5 Turbo Diesel chassis 124.128 /engine 602.962 - -1987 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 - -87 190D 2.5 TD chassis 201.128 /engine 602.961 http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/engine-chassis-info.txt john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Diana Eichert wrote: # Hey John # # After reading some other stuff else where I'm now # pulling for a Mercedes OM617 Turbo Diesel rig. # You'd have something very unique and I know you # like Mercedes. # # diana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] handling found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point I had to move over one lane to merge... we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to get over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not likely to. :) With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it results in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... now all I need is more power. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:25:47 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Ford does not like to make it easy to get parts for vehicles 10 years old or older. They also have some not-very-well-made parts like the clutch slave cylinder for my '84 F250 6.9 which is a very odd plastic box. Definitely not built to benz standards. Eric Ditwiler On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:53 AM, john wrote: > Jim, > > I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, just pulled > from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for me is I don't > have the 4600 > and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended cab > short box... if I need to haul something long I'll use my trailer... > > if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just fine with > me... > smaller makes more sense to me... > > it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a big deal. > > and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is any mold on this one > too. ;) > > There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb condition for > about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's shorter and > I'm > more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd prefer a Ford, but > know nothing about them... > > I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it was fine, > turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, didn't seem that > long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive that much vehicle > back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of those goofy > greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff wisely, etc. > What's > wrong with me anyway? ;) > > Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, although > the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 miles south > of > me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... and then there > will > be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice Diesel > pickup... :) > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html > > I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons I'm not highly > motivated > to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: > 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although it's about 1/3 of book value!) > 2) have four vehicles already > 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't good > 4) the engine can be expensive to repair > 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a big deal > 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best from what I can gather. > 7) it's white > > > If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg range in > town > and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that boring fleet > white, > and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two months... > > I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's a screaming > deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, > aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving south... ;) > > Jim, save me, buy it... ;) > > y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the turbo > Diesel into the > tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may keep the > tug, just refine > it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty long... that > little 4' long > box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover for it for > when it rains. > > in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... : > ( outsourcing > does NOT work... but then again the anti-business climate of this > state > and the unions are directly responsible for that poor decision... > > I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt myself > with options... :) > > if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the monster > carport. :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only $4500? Could I drive > # it from > # there to here?? > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john > # wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 > # Diesel? > # > To: "diesel-benz list" , "full size jeep > # list" , "FParker" , > # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, "David Ashby" > # > Date: Monday, > # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM > # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA > # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL > # with the banks kit... the truck > # > had a number of issues, but I could tell > # that the extended > # > cab, short (6.5) box > # > was not too long or hard to handle, > # as good or better ride > # > than my '94 Blazer... > # > > # > going to look at the '94 > # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. > # > > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the > # ford, although for > # > 4600 bucks it's > # > a screaming deal, been well cared for > # and all that... but > # > it is a freight train > # > that won't get decent mileage... > # read complaints of the > # > turning radius, best mileage > # > seems to be about 16 > # or so... book value is about 12k... > # > tempting... > # > > # > also found a '71 > # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at > # > it, if it doesn't > # > have rust I may > # go for it... book value is over $7k for one > # > of these things... > # > doesn't > # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and > # > drives even... any > # thoughts? > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: > # > > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, > # Diesel/at/ac, clean... > # > price is > # > # pretty low, truck has the extended > # cab/long bed with an > # > bed tank and tool boxes... > # > # > # > # looking on line > # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe > # > less... > # > # > # > # is there anything I > # should be worried about with a Ford > # > F250 Diesel? > # > # > # > # may go and look > # at it this afternoon... I don't want a > # > freight train, > # > # but the price is > # good, the ride should be excellent and > # > it has nearly 2k in > # > # toolboxes > # and fuel tanks included... everything > # > works, no drama, and no > # > # GM > # mickey mouseness to deal with... > # > # > # > # john > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # # Snohomish, Washington > # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://creationwiki.org > # > > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > # > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3092 **********************************