From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 25 22:27:21 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, June 26 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3094 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Re: [db] handling Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Re: [db] handling Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:17:52 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Yes, but there's always aftermarket stuff for the common things, and the junkyard for the uncommon. Domestics are much easier to get parts for in those decidedly LESS expensive avenues................ J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: Eric Ditwiler Cc: diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:51:33 -0700 (PDT) I don't think any domestic models are good for parts on anything over 5 years really... 10 years if you're lucky... and if the company changes ownership, like Jeep, it gets even weirder... I've got a Jeep that has been supported by three, no, four different car companies now... ;) viva le Mercedes... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # Ford does not like to make it easy to get parts for vehicles 10 years # old or older. They also have some not-very-well-made parts like the # clutch slave cylinder for my '84 F250 6.9 which is a very odd plastic # box. Definitely not built to benz standards. # # # # Eric Ditwiler # # # # On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:53 AM, john wrote: # # > Jim, # > # > I don't see why it wouldn't make it... excellent vehicle, just pulled # > from service... fleet vehicle... biggest problem for me is I don't # > have the 4600 # > and don't know if I need that much truck... want extended cab # > short box... if I need to haul something long I'll use my trailer... # > # > if they put a Diesel in the sport trac that would be just fine with # > me... # > smaller makes more sense to me... # > # > it does have 238,000 miles on it, but that shouldn't be a big deal. # > # > and guess what? NO RUST. and I doubt there is any mold on this one # > too. ;) # > # > There's a '94 Chevy extnd cab, short box in superb condition for # > about the same price, also with over 200k on it... it's shorter and # > I'm # > more familiar with the GM setup... but I think I'd prefer a Ford, but # > know nothing about them... # > # > I test drove a '93 GMC Sierra extnd cab, short box and it was fine, # > turning radius was acceptable, quiet, excellent ride, didn't seem that # > long... but I am having trouble seeing myself drive that much vehicle # > back and forth to work every day... maybe I'm just one of those goofy # > greenies... I'm big on recycling, Diesel, using stuff wisely, etc. # > What's # > wrong with me anyway? ;) # > # > Jim, I might be able to pick you up at the airport, although # > the airport is 40 miles south of me, and Tacoma about 60 miles south # > of # > me... that equates to a LONG commute in traffic... and then there # > will # > be the pangs of envy when I realize that I passed up a nice Diesel # > pickup... :) # > # > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1222538469.html # > # > I read as much as I could on this model. The reasons I'm not highly # > motivated # > to drive the 60 miles to look at it are: # > 1) don't have $4600 in hand (although it's about 1/3 of book value!) # > 2) have four vehicles already # > 3) the turning radius of the F250 isn't good # > 4) the engine can be expensive to repair # > 5) 238k on a fleet vehicle, not likely a big deal # > 6) the fuel economy is about 16 at best from what I can gather. # > 7) it's white # > # > # > If this were the short box and mileage was in the 18-20 mpg range in # > town # > and the turning radius were better and it wasn't that boring fleet # > white, # > and my daughter weren't getting married in less than two months... # > # > I guess the real issue with me is the size... dang, that's a screaming # > deal with those tool boxes, headache rack, 100 gal fuel tank and pump, # > aftermarket seats... if I keep typing I may start driving south... ;) # > # > Jim, save me, buy it... ;) # > # > y'all get the popcorn out... thinking to just install the turbo # > Diesel into the # > tug with a dialed in suspension and I'll be happier... may keep the # > tug, just refine # > it a bit more... my wife hates my J10 and it's pretty long... that # > little 4' long # > box that is 5' wide seems to work well, just need a cover for it for # > when it rains. # > # > in other news, they're delaying first flight even longer... : # > ( outsourcing # > does NOT work... but then again the anti-business climate of this # > state # > and the unions are directly responsible for that poor decision... # > # > I should avoid looking at Craigslist... all I do is tempt myself # > with options... :) # > # > if you come out Jim you'll have to come up and see the monster # > carport. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # So what's wrong with this F250 to make it only $4500? Could I drive # > # it from # > # there to here?? # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Mon, 6/22/09, john # > # wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # > # > Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 # > # Diesel? # > # > To: "diesel-benz list" , "full size jeep # > # list" , "FParker" , # > # ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, "David Ashby" # > # > Date: Monday, # > # June 22, 2009, 5:21 PM # > # > just test drove a '93 GMC SIERRA # > # > 4x4-6.2 DIESEL # > # with the banks kit... the truck # > # > had a number of issues, but I could tell # > # that the extended # > # > cab, short (6.5) box # > # > was not too long or hard to handle, # > # as good or better ride # > # > than my '94 Blazer... # > # > # > # > going to look at the '94 # > # extnd cab/short box with the 6.5. # > # > # > # > I think kevin frightened me off of the # > # ford, although for # > # > 4600 bucks it's # > # > a screaming deal, been well cared for # > # and all that... but # > # > it is a freight train # > # > that won't get decent mileage... # > # read complaints of the # > # > turning radius, best mileage # > # > seems to be about 16 # > # or so... book value is about 12k... # > # > tempting... # > # > # > # > also found a '71 # > # Porsche 914 for $800... going to look at # > # > it, if it doesn't # > # > have rust I may # > # go for it... book value is over $7k for one # > # > of these things... # > # > doesn't # > # have carpeting and a few other issues, but runs and # > # > drives even... any # > # thoughts? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, john wrote: # > # > # > # > # found a fleet vehicle, 238K, # > # Diesel/at/ac, clean... # > # > price is # > # > # pretty low, truck has the extended # > # cab/long bed with an # > # > bed tank and tool boxes... # > # > # # > # > # looking on line # > # looks like 16 to 18 mpg... maybe # > # > less... # > # > # # > # > # is there anything I # > # should be worried about with a Ford # > # > F250 Diesel? # > # > # # > # > # may go and look # > # at it this afternoon... I don't want a # > # > freight train, # > # > # but the price is # > # good, the ride should be excellent and # > # > it has nearly 2k in # > # > # toolboxes # > # and fuel tanks included... everything # > # > works, no drama, and no # > # > # GM # > # mickey mouseness to deal with... # > # > # # > # > # john # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # ----- # > # > # # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # # Snohomish, Washington # > # > -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # # ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsMx6xuAQfDmHWpUf2HSo0zMKbHN dkeUxzXbjNSA0MBFBxRNW2EMGc/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] handling yes it DID. my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly so. my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to believe... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that hardly let it # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in that # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several of mine are) # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, that 560sl # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. :D # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: diesel john # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # Subject: [db] handling # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point # I had to move over one lane to merge... # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to get # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not likely # to. :) # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it results # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... # # now all I need is more power. :) # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your # business. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHcQZzpEYJ3iLdpfdEQZxyDkase # VqTP3BXyxbvNsLCn8PCeoWlcgY/ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:20:33 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Well, MB can still beat that, and VW shredded most of the older parts a few years ago. Not really sure why, but parts for older VWs are now almost impossible to get. It was a very different company in 1974.......it was a very different world in 1974.......a better one.......*weep* J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" To: Liste Diesel Benz Subject: Re: [db] OT: 2000 F250 Diesel? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:06:49 -0400 On Wednesday 24 June 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive from john who wrote: > I don't think any domestic models are good for parts on anything > over 5 years really... 10 years if you're lucky... > > and if the company changes ownership, like Jeep, it gets even weirder... > I've got a Jeep that has been supported by three, no, four different > car companies now... ;) > > viva le Mercedes... Or le Volkswagen: I was able, in 1974, to buy from their French spares organization various parts, including all the bits tha made up the hand-brake lever assembly (lever, pushrod, pushbutton, spring, retchet, ratchet quadrant) that fitted my 1941 VW Kuebelwagen ! 33 years, who can beat that ? Cheers, Ron. - -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ____________________________________________________________ Keep your hair. Click for permanent solution to hair restoration http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsJNFxgzEvo4ypmWry90pJIqgoTU gmQkgoFzObh2FpWbm1pwYMz0GU/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:23:53 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] handling I stand by my original thought...he needs springs. There are actually 2 sway bars on these if they're like the 123s (which they're very similar to in many ways) and it's unlikely that either would break unless you live in a rust area (and if the front one breaks, the front suspension goes so haywire that it's not even safe to drive) but I know firsthand how sloppy the springs can make the suspension. YOU on the other hand seem to need shocks....:D J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] handling Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) yes it DID. my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly so. my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to believe... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that hardly let it # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in that # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several of mine are) # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, that 560sl # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. :D # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: diesel john # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # Subject: [db] handling # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point # I had to move over one lane to merge... # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to get # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not likely # to. :) # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it results # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... # # now all I need is more power. :) # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Compete with the big boys. 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