From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jun 26 08:16:40 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, June 26 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3095 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] handling Re: [db] handling Re: [db] handling Re: [db] handling Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] handling shocks... dang, knew I forgot something... that could explain a few things. ;) have someone from the evil empire coming up to look at the tug tomorrow... I'm going to replace it with a Diesel 4x4 pickup... the tug is a great idea, but it needs shocks... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # I stand by my original thought...he needs springs. There are actually 2 sway # bars on these if they're like the 123s (which they're very similar to in many # ways) and it's unlikely that either would break unless you live in a rust area # (and if the front one breaks, the front suspension goes so haywire that it's # not even safe to drive) but I know firsthand how sloppy the springs can make # the suspension. # # YOU on the other hand seem to need shocks....:D # # J # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: john # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] handling # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) # # yes it DID. # # my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly so. # # my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than # an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to believe... # # :) # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that hardly let # it # # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in that # # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several of mine # are) # # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, that # 560sl # # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. # # # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. :D # # # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # # From: diesel john # # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # # Subject: [db] handling # # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) # # # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... # # # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me # # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light # # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump # # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point # # I had to move over one lane to merge... # # # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... # # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the # # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... # # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) # # # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to get # # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it # # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... # # # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not # likely # # to. :) # # # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it results # # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like # # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place # # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... # # # # now all I need is more power. :) # # # # john # # # # # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # # ____________________________________________________________ # # Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your # # business. # # # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHcQZzpEYJ3iLdpfdEQZxyDkase # # VqTP3BXyxbvNsLCn8PCeoWlcgY/ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:35:08 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] handling How did you get someone from Iran interested in your tug? Or is he from N. Korea? Oh OH I know, he's from Venezuela. :D J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] handling Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:35:00 -0700 (PDT) shocks... dang, knew I forgot something... that could explain a few things. ;) have someone from the evil empire coming up to look at the tug tomorrow... I'm going to replace it with a Diesel 4x4 pickup... the tug is a great idea, but it needs shocks... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # I stand by my original thought...he needs springs. There are actually 2 sway # bars on these if they're like the 123s (which they're very similar to in many # ways) and it's unlikely that either would break unless you live in a rust area # (and if the front one breaks, the front suspension goes so haywire that it's # not even safe to drive) but I know firsthand how sloppy the springs can make # the suspension. # # YOU on the other hand seem to need shocks....:D # # J # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: john # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] handling # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) # # yes it DID. # # my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly so. # # my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than # an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to believe... # # :) # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that hardly let # it # # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in that # # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several of mine # are) # # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, that # 560sl # # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. # # # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. :D # # # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # # From: diesel john # # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # # Subject: [db] handling # # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) # # # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... # # # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me # # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light # # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump # # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point # # I had to move over one lane to merge... # # # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... # # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the # # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... # # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) # # # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to get # # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it # # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... # # # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not # likely # # to. :) # # # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it results # # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like # # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place # # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... # # # # now all I need is more power. :) # # # # john # # # # # # # # ----- # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # # ____________________________________________________________ # # Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your # # business. # # # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHcQZzpEYJ3iLdpfdEQZxyDkase # # VqTP3BXyxbvNsLCn8PCeoWlcgY/ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] handling I live near one of the most sinister and darkest forces on the planet that is spreading from the nearby village of redmond... the redmondians have cleverly infiltrated every part of the globe and have made the world subject to their evil associates the phrackers, hackers and other evil doers, and their offspring, the script kiddies... oh woe is us. may the open forces unite upon a single kernel to withstand those that click and drool.... for many of them do not undertand... and refuse to embrace cars without spark plugs (mlc). :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # How did you get someone from Iran interested in your tug? Or is he from N. # Korea? Oh OH I know, he's from Venezuela. :D # # J # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: john # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] handling # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:35:00 -0700 (PDT) # # shocks... dang, knew I forgot something... # # that could explain a few things. ;) # # have someone from the evil empire coming up to look at # the tug tomorrow... I'm going to replace it with a Diesel # 4x4 pickup... the tug is a great idea, but it needs shocks... ;) # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # I stand by my original thought...he needs springs. There are actually 2 # sway # # bars on these if they're like the 123s (which they're very similar to in # many # # ways) and it's unlikely that either would break unless you live in a rust # area # # (and if the front one breaks, the front suspension goes so haywire that # it's # # not even safe to drive) but I know firsthand how sloppy the springs can # make # # the suspension. # # # # YOU on the other hand seem to need shocks....:D # # # # J # # # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # # From: john # # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # Subject: Re: [db] handling # # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) # # # # yes it DID. # # # # my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly so. # # # # my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than # # an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to believe... # # # # :) # # # # # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # # # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that hardly # let # # it # # # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in that # # # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several of # mine # # are) # # # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, that # # 560sl # # # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. # # # # # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. :D # # # # # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # # # From: diesel john # # # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # # # Subject: [db] handling # # # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) # # # # # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... # # # # # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me # # # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light # # # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump # # # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point # # # I had to move over one lane to merge... # # # # # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... # # # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the # # # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... # # # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) # # # # # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting to # get # # # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it # # # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the curves... # # # # # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, not # # likely # # # to. :) # # # # # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it # results # # # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything like # # # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in place # # # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good tires... # # # # # # now all I need is more power. :) # # # # # # john # # # # # # # # # # # # ----- # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # # # # # ____________________________________________________________ # # # Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your # # # business. # # # # # # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHcQZzpEYJ3iLdpfdEQZxyDkase # # # VqTP3BXyxbvNsLCn8PCeoWlcgY/ # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:13:57 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] handling LOL Well done John, that's almost a Haiku :-) "for many of them, do not understand... and refuse to embrace cars, without spark plugs" Steve On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, john wrote: > I live near one of the most sinister and > darkest forces on the planet that is spreading > from the nearby village of redmond... the > redmondians have cleverly infiltrated every > part of the globe and have made the world > subject to their evil associates the > phrackers, hackers and other evil > doers, and their offspring, the script > kiddies... oh woe is us. > > may the open forces unite upon a single > kernel to withstand those that click > and drool.... for many of them do not > undertand... and refuse to embrace > cars without spark plugs (mlc). > > :) > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # How did you get someone from Iran interested in your tug? Or is he from > N. > # Korea? Oh OH I know, he's from Venezuela. :D > # > # J > # > # ---------- Original Message ---------- > # From: john > # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" > # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # Subject: Re: [db] handling > # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:35:00 -0700 (PDT) > # > # shocks... dang, knew I forgot something... > # > # that could explain a few things. ;) > # > # have someone from the evil empire coming up to look at > # the tug tomorrow... I'm going to replace it with a Diesel > # 4x4 pickup... the tug is a great idea, but it needs shocks... ;) > # > # > # > # ----- > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > # # I stand by my original thought...he needs springs. There are actually > 2 > # sway > # # bars on these if they're like the 123s (which they're very similar to > in > # many > # # ways) and it's unlikely that either would break unless you live in a > rust > # area > # # (and if the front one breaks, the front suspension goes so haywire > that > # it's > # # not even safe to drive) but I know firsthand how sloppy the springs > can > # make > # # the suspension. > # # > # # YOU on the other hand seem to need shocks....:D > # # > # # J > # # > # # ---------- Original Message ---------- > # # From: john > # # To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" > # # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # # Subject: Re: [db] handling > # # Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:21:35 -0700 (PDT) > # # > # # yes it DID. > # # > # # my springs are from a wagoneer and it's quite bouncy... annoyingly > so. > # # > # # my guess is the guy has a broken sway bar... it looked worse than > # # an american car going through that corner, find it very hard to > believe... > # # > # # :) > # # > # # > # # > # # ----- > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # # > # # > # # On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # # > # # # No it doesn't......it's just that you've got truck springs that > hardly > # let > # # it > # # # budge, no matter what, and he's got worn-out coils. The springs in > that > # # # 4-wheel-independent system will get soft after 20 years, (several > of > # mine > # # are) > # # # and then handling gets sloppy, but when in proper working order, > that > # # 560sl > # # # will definitely outmanoeuver your Jeep. > # # # > # # # But hey, at least your Jeep has one less thing to have to replace. > :D > # # # > # # # ---------- Original Message ---------- > # # # From: diesel john > # # # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > # # # Subject: [db] handling > # # # Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) > # # # > # # # found out the cj-10a handles better than a 560SL tonight... > # # # > # # # some guy in a red one with the top down was next to me > # # # at the light on airport road heading out onto sr526... light > # # # changed and as usual I inserted my foot into the injection pump > # # # and left it there... I was in the inside lane so at some point > # # # I had to move over one lane to merge... > # # # > # # # we went into the right hander at somewhere between 45 and 50... > # # # I heard tires squealing, but not from the tug... from the > # # # benz... looked over and man did that thing have some body roll... > # # # he almost crossed over into traffic... very sloppy. ;) > # # # > # # # I guess this little tug does handle like it's on rails... starting > to > # get > # # # over the initial fear of it because of how high I'm sitting... it > # # # took a bit of time, but learning how stable it is in the > curves... > # # # > # # # I still haven't found the limits... and with the current engine, > not > # # likely > # # # to. :) > # # # > # # # With some lifted 4x4's you can feel the edge of the limit and it > # results > # # # in a pretty high pucker factor, but so far I haven't felt anything > like > # # # that yet with this thing... the wagoneer sway bar is still in > place > # # # and the weight is pretty low... nice wide stance... good > tires... > # # # > # # # now all I need is more power. :) > # # # > # # # john > # # # > # # # > # # # > # # # ----- > # # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > # # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com > http://fotomeister.us > # # # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # # # > # # # > # # # ____________________________________________________________ > # # # Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit > your > # # # business. > # # # > # # > # > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsHcQZzpEYJ3iLdpfdEQZxyDkase > # # # VqTP3BXyxbvNsLCn8PCeoWlcgY/ > # # # > # # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3095 **********************************