From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 29 08:31:28 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, June 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3098 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Motor mount extraction Re: [db] Motor mount extraction Re: [db] Motor mount extraction [db] a/c Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? [db] fsj: A thought on why Americans don't have a good diesel option (fwd) Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? RE: [db] will this fly in Kansas? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:07:01 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Motor mount extraction Got a can of PB Blaster, zapped all 4 bolts on the motor mounts and ten minutes later, they came out with barely a complaint. Had to use a breaker bar to get the two on the underside to crack loose, then the old battery operated impact wrench did the rest. Left the hood up then jacked up the engine using a 6" bottle jack and a two by four remnant under the flattest part of the oil sump, nearest to the crossmember. The left side came out without issue, put the new one in and was able to start the bolts by hand and then tighten a bit with the impact wrench. The right side is another story, the heat shield seems to be attached at more than one point and won't really budge. It interferes with the top of the old mount. Had to use a crowbar to get it out, slightly bent the heat shield in the process. The Right mount was shredded, can't tell from looking at it from the top, from the bottom though, you see more of the damage. It basically was not doing any isolating which explains the violent shaking of the hood at idle . The Left mount was about to fail, had cracks into the chamber that is moulded inside the rubber part. Seems that they simply have air inside and a ball check valve that allows air in/out in small amounts when the item vibrates. I bought the least expensive China made mounts. Will see if how long the last as compared to German ones. 31 each versus near 70 each. It took an enourmous amount of jacking to get that right mount to go back in place, was worried I was going to rip out hoses but it seems to have gone in finally. Lower bolt back in. top one is another story. Literally chewed off the corners of the bolt when taking it out as it was the one that was resisting most before dose of PB Blast. Tried to get one like it at Mchardware (Ace) but can't find exact length. Bought a longer one, trimmed it and ground a bevel, would work but being afraid that Benz used a heavy washer that seems to be pre-installed before the threading was cut on their bolt, and it having a strange number of 10.9 where all the store bolts are 10 MM 8.8 on the hardness scale, I decided to go to the dealership on Monday to buy the correct bolt. Don't want to do this twice and not again for a long time. Will tackle the rear mount under the transmission tomorrow. It looks OK but since I am under there, will replace it as well. Got to say I am amazed at how little corrosion I find. The car was from FL and I don't drive it in winter here (too much salt). I guess all the oil leaks and other fluids help preserve it better. I am tempted to locate or try to fabricate a new pan. the old one cracked and was thrown away. More later, fellow is here to look at cutting a tree into lumber for me. E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Motor mount extraction sounds like one of those fun adventures... I spent yesterday taking my makeshift rear bumper off the tug and reinstalling the Grand Wagoneer hitch on the top of the frame, got longer bolts to go through both frame rails... wanted to replace the shocks after adding a couple inches of lift... but the stock ones are still too long... riding better... I'll need to do some wrenching on the 300D Tues, heading down to Portland with it on Thurs... need to get that a/c working again. :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Got a can of PB Blaster, zapped all 4 bolts on the motor mounts and ten ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:25:34 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Motor mount extraction Good luck on the A/C. hope it is just a leak where you can reach the fitting and put in a seal. Mine is inside the dash where the heat exchanger unit is located, was quoted $2000 to repair it, and that from an indie. have not asked what the dealer would charge. I find Benz to be very complicated in how they hide all the fasteners and have not figured out how to remove the entire dash and steering and console, which is what it takes to get to the heat exchanger. Needless to say I am operating sans A/C. Edward john wrote: > sounds like one of those fun adventures... > > I spent yesterday taking my makeshift rear bumper off the tug and > reinstalling the Grand Wagoneer hitch on the top of the frame, > got longer bolts to go through both frame rails... wanted to > replace the shocks after adding a couple inches of lift... but the > stock ones are still too long... riding better... > > I'll need to do some wrenching on the 300D Tues, heading down > to Portland with it on Thurs... need to get that a/c working again. :( > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > # Got a can of PB Blaster, zapped all 4 bolts on the motor mounts and ten ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] a/c if I add a can it'll work for a week, actually about half a can. had it fixed wit a used compressor a couple years ago. the 134 is prbobly killing the compressor seals. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Good luck on the A/C. hope it is just a leak where # you can reach the fitting and put in a seal. Mine # is inside the dash where the heat exchanger unit # is located, was quoted $2000 to repair it, and # that from an indie. have not asked what the dealer # would charge. I find Benz to be very complicated # in how they hide all the fasteners and have not # figured out how to remove the entire dash and # steering and console, which is what it takes to # get to the heat exchanger. Needless to say I am # operating sans A/C. # # Edward # # john wrote: # > sounds like one of those fun adventures... # > # > I spent yesterday taking my makeshift rear # > bumper off the tug and # > reinstalling the Grand Wagoneer hitch on the top # > of the frame, # > got longer bolts to go through both frame # > rails... wanted to # > replace the shocks after adding a couple inches # > of lift... but the # > stock ones are still too long... riding # > better... # > # > I'll need to do some wrenching on the 300D Tues, # > heading down # > to Portland with it on Thurs... need to get # > that a/c working again. :( # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http:http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > http:http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # > # > # Got a can of PB Blaster, zapped all 4 bolts on # > # the motor mounts and ten # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:55:06 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? Of course not; it'll just add one more burdensome thing for our already hamstrung auto industry to comply with..... If I owned an auto manufacturer, I'd refuse to sell to NY and CA. Sometimes market share just isn't worth the trouble. Anybody know of a free country I could move to? This one is starting to resemble Mussolini's Italy a bit too much for my comfort...... J - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: [db] will this fly in Kansas? Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) new california requirements for reflective glass in vehicles by 2016... but will this work in states like kansas that prohibit dark tinted windows or reflective glass??? http://www.komonews.com/news/national/49134422.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ Learn the Six Sigma approach and become certified. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsPlkS1cDNEFPR0RyI5G2ZgjF4fs 0gMM3fMlmTIg112RG36TYJ5QqM/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] fsj: A thought on why Americans don't have a good diesel option (fwd) got this from a friend on the FSJ list... long story, but he was in college when I started the FSJ list... he decided to get his engineering degree and move to Detroit... needless to say, he's no longer in detroit an no longer working on cars... reading through this I see the same thing happening in aerospace and other industries... outsourcing, government regulations and unions are killing us. We must use outsourcing wisely, we must update our government regulations or reduce them and we need to move away from the idea that unions add benefit, as they are as bad or worse than present day management, and of course managers and executives need to rethink what they're real value is to the company and perhaps restructure their salary and bonuses a bit... not advocating a Ben-and-Jerry seven times limit or anything like that, but why should a guy sitting in a chair make hundreds of millions of dollars while others are doing the real work? Government intervention in business is simply not a good idea... businesses need to fail on their own. The Government should protect businesses from foreign unfair trade practices like dumping. (where a foreign competitor sells product below THEIR cost in order to win market share to drive competitors out of the market... e.g., what the Japanese were doing with DRAMS in the mid-80s...) It's a complex mess with no simple answers, we've taken years to get where we are at... we should look at the history of British Leyland to get an idea of how government and unions impacted them... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: I thought I should comment on why Americans don't have a lot of good Diesel options. The short answer is because Ralph Nader is a very narcissistic man. The long answer goes like this. And I will preface this with my background...I worked in Detroit in the automobile industry for about eight years. I was an engineer who developed airbags, instrument panels (dashboards to the outside world), and for a brief period seat belts. I dealt daily with government regulations dealing with safety systems. I also aquired a level of familiarity with european safety regulations dealing with export stuff. I could give you all a lot of history, but the punch line is that the core of the government regulations have not been re-written. They have been added to and amended, but to this day are still really written around 1960's technology. I did deal with complying technology that hadn't been invented in 1967 to a spec written about a technology that had gone out of date by the mid 1970's (but you could still find it on our Wagoneers and J-10's and SJ Cherokees for a few more years...I am talking about the dash pad with steel as the substrate under the foam and it's potential flamability) There was a lot of disagreement on how to interpret that spec and a lot of money was unnecessarily spent retesting a known commodity. European regulations were by in large written a good ten years after the American specs and are by in large just more modern in their philosophy. (Europe only does belted crash testing). I know that European emissions specs also came much later from restoring European cars. (the Euro-spec versions of the same car were often more powerful through the 70's and into the 80's) By the time the Europeans got around to writing emissions specs the Arab oil embargo of the 1970's had already occurred and they understood the need for real efficiency. Another issue is that Detroit has largely outsourced all engineering and the Fords the GMs and the Chryslers of the world are largely unaware of what their supply base can actually do or what the real cost and value of modern technology really is. The Detroit three spends too much effort beating up the supply base on cost and almost no effort on innovation and because everybody uses the same suppliers everybody gets the same technology. Many of the internal specs are dated as well and it's hard to explain to somone that isn't really sure what you are talking about in the first place that you? can't test modern parts?to spec for a technology that disappeared when Reagan was in office and was really last Relevant when Nixon was in office. Detroit needs a leader who decides that it's time to build a great car. Washington needs to re-write the regs to allow detroit to build that car. and the Unions need to understand that half of nothing is nothing. Mark Wallace 81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? was just thinkikng about that too... I think this was the last place... how people can see the things that are happening, read history, and think that mankind is basically good is beyond me... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Of course not; it'll just add one more burdensome thing for our already # hamstrung auto industry to comply with..... # # If I owned an auto manufacturer, I'd refuse to sell to NY and CA. Sometimes # market share just isn't worth the trouble. # # Anybody know of a free country I could move to? This one is starting to # resemble Mussolini's Italy a bit too much for my comfort...... # # J # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: john # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # Subject: [db] will this fly in Kansas? # Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) # # new california requirements for reflective glass in vehicles by 2016... # but will this work in states like kansas that prohibit dark tinted # windows or reflective glass??? # # http://www.komonews.com/news/national/49134422.html # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Learn the Six Sigma approach and become certified. Click now. # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsPlkS1cDNEFPR0RyI5G2ZgjF4fs # 0gMM3fMlmTIg112RG36TYJ5QqM/ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:22:12 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? On Monday 29 June 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive from "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" who wrote: > Anybody know of a free country I could move to? This one is starting to > resemble Mussolini's Italy a bit too much for my comfort...... Which is why I moved from Europe to Paraguay eleven years ago. Delightful place, no income tax, no vehicular inspection inmost places, no zoning laws, no electrical or plumbing codes... Cheers, Ron. - -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:28:27 -0500 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: RE: [db] will this fly in Kansas? How difficult was the immigration procedure? Thomas E. Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:22 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] will this fly in Kansas? On Monday 29 June 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive from "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" who wrote: > Anybody know of a free country I could move to? This one is starting to > resemble Mussolini's Italy a bit too much for my comfort...... Which is why I moved from Europe to Paraguay eleven years ago. Delightful place, no income tax, no vehicular inspection inmost places, no zoning laws, no electrical or plumbing codes... Cheers, Ron. - -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3098 **********************************