From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 7 16:38:01 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, July 7 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3107 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:22:39 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Easy answer, complete bullsh*t: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT), john wrote: > also passing this along for verification... :) > > this may be the same kind of story circulated about clinton and > cattle guards in wyoming... hard to say... maybe it's a joke, but > the arrogance of many with a liberal mindset defies logic, and > the sometimes the laws of physics... ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Weigand, Gregory L" > > Subject: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers > > Ok I am forwarding this without checking it for authenticity. I'm afraid > if I find out this is true I may shoot someone or myself. I just hope > it's a joke and a good one at that, but I am told it is not! > > > Automotive Industry Challenge... (We're all doomed, but we could die > laughing!) > > > Email circulating around at Ford Motor Co... > > My neighbor recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/ > guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research > (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the > auto industry news lately. > > Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the > difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has > sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a > 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the > industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry > experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero > engineering experience, tell them how to run their business. > > His favorite story is as follows: > > There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, > automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining > to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was > electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go > 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other > topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had > looked up on some website. > > Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of > batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that > there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them > from... > > The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "The laws > of physics? Whose rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of > the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up). We have > the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, > or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are > here, to fix these sort of issues". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:30:07 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Wow. I'm not sure whether the correction or the legend is a more disturbing statement... "I have not met personally with the Obama Auto Task Force. The comments related to the 'laws of physics' came from a discussion I had a number of years ago with several congressmen who said that we should pass a new 2nd law of thermodynamics." - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Tue Jul 07, 2009, Chuck Goolsbee wrote: > > Easy answer, complete bullsh*t: > http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp > > > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT), john wrote: > > > also passing this along for verification... :) > > > > this may be the same kind of story circulated about clinton and > > cattle guards in wyoming... hard to say... maybe it's a joke, but > > the arrogance of many with a liberal mindset defies logic, and > > the sometimes the laws of physics... ;) > > > > john > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Weigand, Gregory L" > > > > Subject: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers > > > > Ok I am forwarding this without checking it for authenticity. I'm afraid > > if I find out this is true I may shoot someone or myself. I just hope > > it's a joke and a good one at that, but I am told it is not! > > > > > > Automotive Industry Challenge... (We're all doomed, but we could die > > laughing!) > > > > > > Email circulating around at Ford Motor Co... > > > > My neighbor recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/ > > guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research > > (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the > > auto industry news lately. > > > > Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the > > difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has > > sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a > > 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the > > industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry > > experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero > > engineering experience, tell them how to run their business. > > > > His favorite story is as follows: > > > > There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, > > automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining > > to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was > > electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go > > 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other > > topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had > > looked up on some website. > > > > Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of > > batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that > > there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them > > from... > > > > The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "The laws > > of physics? Whose rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of > > the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up). We have > > the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, > > or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are > > here, to fix these sort of issues". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:57:02 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) Heck, politicians can create money out of thin air, why is anyone surprised they think they can repeal the laws of thermodynamics? Sure, lets create energy without converting matter, why not!! Snark off. Bruce Caruthers wrote: > Wow. I'm not sure whether the correction or the legend is a more > disturbing statement... > > "I have not met personally with the Obama Auto Task Force. > The comments related to the 'laws of physics' came from a > discussion I had a number of years ago with several > congressmen who said that we should pass a new 2nd law of > thermodynamics." > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > > > > On Tue Jul 07, 2009, Chuck Goolsbee wrote: > >> Easy answer, complete bullsh*t: >> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp >> >> >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT), john wrote: >> >> >>> also passing this along for verification... :) >>> >>> this may be the same kind of story circulated about clinton and >>> cattle guards in wyoming... hard to say... maybe it's a joke, but >>> the arrogance of many with a liberal mindset defies logic, and >>> the sometimes the laws of physics... ;) >>> >>> john >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Weigand, Gregory L" >>> >>> Subject: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers >>> >>> Ok I am forwarding this without checking it for authenticity. I'm afraid >>> if I find out this is true I may shoot someone or myself. I just hope >>> it's a joke and a good one at that, but I am told it is not! >>> >>> >>> Automotive Industry Challenge... (We're all doomed, but we could die >>> laughing!) >>> >>> >>> Email circulating around at Ford Motor Co... >>> >>> My neighbor recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/ >>> guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research >>> (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the >>> auto industry news lately. >>> >>> Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the >>> difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has >>> sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a >>> 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the >>> industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry >>> experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero >>> engineering experience, tell them how to run their business. >>> >>> His favorite story is as follows: >>> >>> There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, >>> automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining >>> to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was >>> electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go >>> 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other >>> topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had >>> looked up on some website. >>> >>> Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of >>> batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that >>> there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them >>> from... >>> >>> The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "The laws >>> of physics? Whose rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of >>> the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up). We have >>> the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, >>> or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are >>> here, to fix these sort of issues". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) interesting to note that the guy in question actually had a similiar discussion with members of congress about the 2nd law of thermodynamics... (read down on snopes page about the "laws of physics") there's always a smidgen of truth in some of these bogus stories... :) I guess that's why they get shuffled around they way they do... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, chuck goolsbee wrote: # Easy answer, complete bullsh*t: # http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp # # # # On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT), john wrote: # > also passing this along for verification... :) # > # > this may be the same kind of story circulated about clinton and # > cattle guards in wyoming... hard to say... maybe it's a joke, but # > the arrogance of many with a liberal mindset defies logic, and # > the sometimes the laws of physics... ;) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > From: "Weigand, Gregory L" # > # > Subject: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers # > # > Ok I am forwarding this without checking it for authenticity. I'm afraid # > if I find out this is true I may shoot someone or myself. I just hope # > it's a joke and a good one at that, but I am told it is not! # > # > # > Automotive Industry Challenge... (We're all doomed, but we could die # > laughing!) # > # > # > Email circulating around at Ford Motor Co... # > # > My neighbor recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/ # > guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research # > (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the # > auto industry news lately. # > # > Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the # > difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has # > sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a # > 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the # > industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry # > experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero # > engineering experience, tell them how to run their business. # > # > His favorite story is as follows: # > # > There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, # > automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining # > to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was # > electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go # > 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other # > topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had # > looked up on some website. # > # > Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of # > batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that # > there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them # > from... # > # > The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "The laws # > of physics? Whose rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of # > the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up). We have # > the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, # > or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are # > here, to fix these sort of issues". # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers (fwd) agreed ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # Wow. I'm not sure whether the correction or the legend is a more # disturbing statement... # # "I have not met personally with the Obama Auto Task Force. # The comments related to the 'laws of physics' came from a # discussion I had a number of years ago with several # congressmen who said that we should pass a new 2nd law of # thermodynamics." # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # On Tue Jul 07, 2009, Chuck Goolsbee wrote: # > # > Easy answer, # > http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp # > # > # > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- # > > From: "Weigand, Gregory L" # > > # > > Subject: FW: Automotive Industry Challenge...for Engineers # > > # > > Ok I am forwarding this without checking it for authenticity. I'm afraid # > > if I find out this is true I may shoot someone or myself. I just hope # > > it's a joke and a good one at that, but I am told it is not! # > > # > > # > > Automotive Industry Challenge... (We're all doomed, but we could die # > > laughing!) # > > # > > # > > Email circulating around at Ford Motor Co... # > > # > > My neighbor recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/ # > > guest was David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive Research # > > (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the # > > auto industry news lately. # > > # > > Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the # > > difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has # > > sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a # > > 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the # > > industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry # > > experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero # > > engineering experience, tell them how to run their business. # > > # > > His favorite story is as follows: # > > # > > There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr. Cole (Engineer, # > > automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining # > > to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was # > > electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go # > > 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other # > > topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had # > > looked up on some website. # > > # > > Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of # > > batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that # > > there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them # > > from... # > > # > > The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "The laws # > > of physics? Whose rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of # > > the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up). We have # > > the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, # > > or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are # > > here, to fix these sort of issues". # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3107 **********************************