From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 14 22:49:05 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 15 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3109 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. [db] Re: DIN pullers [db] catching up on pictures... [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:09:48 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. My battery died. New battery from Walmart for $70. Reset each window, reset the sunroof, reset seat memory....uh oh...the radio is dead as a doornail. Apparently, it's taken this moment to give it up. Anyone know how to pull the radio from a 210? Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:16:25 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Take your pick. Plasma cutter, sawzall (John's son's favorite), or sledgehammer. You sure it doesn't need a code to be entered or some special dealer trick to prevent someone from reusing it after power had been removed (like if it was stolen)? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 03:09:48PM -0400, Mike Frank wrote: > My battery died. New battery from Walmart for $70. Reset each window, > reset the sunroof, reset seat memory....uh oh...the radio is dead as > a doornail. Apparently, it's taken this moment to give it up. Anyone > know how to pull the radio from a 210? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. several MB required the code for the radio, a friend of mine in reno has a gas benz, don't recall the year, must have been a 124 chassis, but he went round and round with the radio code too, it kept thinking it was stolen... to get the radio out of most cars using the DIN 1 style is a small strip or slot on either side to release the catches in the holder. When I replaced my 124 radio it seemed like a standard type insert, have it down in my parts bin, could photography it if that would help, but there may be a difference between a '91 124 and what ever year/model you have... One thing we've learned about Mercedes, if they decide to make something theft-deterrent, it is... remember having to use the aforementioned sawzall to cut the dash apart (not really) to get the ignition lock out of my 190D, what model was that? 201? guess it's the same issue in the 124s... you lose that lock cylinder in that dash and it's time to find a sawzall... had to run up and rescue my wife this morning... the 124 had a flat, she was only a couple miles up the road and I used the portable air compressor to get the tire inflated to get it home... I've been laid out most of the week with allergy/respiratory problems, thankfully it's been raining hard today... (was out in it inflating the tire, how is that an answer for prayer? ;)... still have to deal with it... probably will drive it to Discount Tires tomorrow for repair... wouldn't be so bad if the WJ hadn't been taken to the shop Friday for an axle bearing and seals... way overdue... that thing is better than most gas Benz! We've got 165,000 miles on it and I've been towing a couple of tons around with it with bad bearings and still getting better mileage than most pickups... and the WJ doesn't have all the goofy rube goldberg stuff, well, if it had the dual climate control it would... but I digress... :) Mike, would the E-series bible have info on your model? that's the book stu ritter put together... or I could check with my friend in reno to see if he knows... heading back to bed for awhile, didn't sleep much last night... hopefully the antibiotics, the rain and more rest will get me back on full power... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Kevin wrote: # Take your pick. Plasma cutter, sawzall (John's son's favorite), or # sledgehammer. # # You sure it doesn't need a code to be entered or some special dealer trick to # prevent someone from reusing it after power had been removed (like if it # was stolen)? # # On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 03:09:48PM -0400, Mike Frank wrote: # > My battery died. New battery from Walmart for $70. Reset each window, # > reset the sunroof, reset seat memory....uh oh...the radio is dead as # > a doornail. Apparently, it's taken this moment to give it up. Anyone # > know how to pull the radio from a 210? # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:39:50 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. I have the code, but it needs to power up for me to key it in. The fuse is conveniently located on the back of the radio. Mike Frank At 03:16 PM 7/12/2009, Kevin wrote: >You sure it doesn't need a code to be entered or some special dealer trick to >prevent someone from reusing it after power had been removed (like if it >was stolen)? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:44:12 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Apparently Ebay 380138177501 is what I need. Now that I see the key, let's see if I can make a fair copy: Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. yes, exactly what I was trying to describe, it can be done with two thin screwdrivers, but needs a third hand... the idea is to release the catches on the sides of the radio and then pull it out, or push it from the back if you can get back there... very common DIN type setup, you might be able to use a generic tool... check with a local stereo installer and see if they'll loan or sell something that will work, even radio shack might have something that would work. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Mike Frank wrote: # Apparently Ebay 380138177501 is what I need. Now that I see the key, let's # see if I can make a fair copy: # # # Mike Frank # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:00:12 +0200 From: Andreas Kreft Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. On S|nndag 12 Juli 2009, Mike Frank hat schrieven: > Apparently Ebay 380138177501 is what I need. Now that I see the key, > let's see if I can make a fair copy: Just deleted some amount of text I wrote in order to describe these key thingies... Run a Google image search with "Ausziehhaken" and pick your favourite sized and setted picture of them. ;) - -- An idealist is one who helps the other fellow to make a profit. -- Henry Ford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:10:47 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. Done and done. I found a pair of old cabinet keys. Ground them down to slide into the slots, ground a taper at the end and cut a notch at about the right distance and viola, she's out. As I suspected, the fuse was blown. New fuse, recoded and it's ok again. If anyone needs the dimensions of the key, let me know. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Why I hate my 210. July 2009 edition. why not take a picture next to a ruler and send 'em to me, will post them in the tech section... and if anyone has any suggestions on how to better present tech info on my server, I'm all ears... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Mike Frank wrote: # Done and done. I found a pair of old cabinet keys. Ground them down to slide # into the slots, ground a taper at the end and cut a notch at about the right # distance and viola, she's out. As I suspected, the fuse was blown. New fuse, # recoded and it's ok again. # # If anyone needs the dimensions of the key, let me know. # # Mike Frank # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: DIN pullers http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/RadioTool/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Mike Frank wrote: # John: # # Photos attached, with rough dimensions. # # When you use these, the notches face towards the center of the radio. Insert # the keys until you feel the notch click into place. Push the head of the keys # to either side while pulling, and the radio will slide right out. # # Mike # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] catching up on pictures... been under the weather for a week or so, respiratory issues... not enough rain and too many fireworks... starting to come back around, thankfully, raining today! one benefit of trying to hack up a lung in the middle of the night is that I was up early enough to see a pre-dawn clear sky and Venus... :) (yes, my camera goes with me just about every where... :) here's some pictures to catch up... http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/07-Jul-10-4am-Venus-Sunrise-JEM_1035.jpg http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/07-Jul-07-garden/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/07-Jul-05-jeep-cj10a-in-use/ http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/07-Jul-04-fireworks/ http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-28-drive-Bellevue-Seattle-Snohomish-Machias/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/06-Jun-21-garden-clouds/ALL.html in other news: - - ran the SD33T down to Centralia for the '83 J10 stepside project - - the '99 WJ is in the shop, axle bearings and seals, running great - - the '91 300d decided it didn't like air in it's tire... - - the '86 cj-10a's locking security console lock disintegrated, but last tank 21 mpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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