From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 21 22:57:32 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 22 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3115 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs [db] OT: History Channel - 40th anniverary of the Moon shot - tonight... (7/20/2009) (fwd) Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs [db] size difference? [db] Re: xj: OT: History Channel - 40th anniverary of the Moon shot - tonight... (7/20/2009) (fwd) [db] the reality check Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:45:55 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs Older and divorced. That C-6, while bulletproof, will throw away too much power to be used behind something like a 617. Getting it adapted could be even more interesting. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:41:56AM -0700, john wrote: > what about the NP205 with the Ford C6 sitting in my shop? > > not a single soul has looked at this thing... driver's side drop. > > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/cl-items/c6-np205-1.jpg > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/cl-items/c6-np205-2.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT: History Channel - 40th anniverary of the Moon shot - tonight... (7/20/2009) (fwd) FYI, ...for those of us old enough to remember this... ;) History Channel to feature Boeing-sponsored 'Moonshot' The History Channel will commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing today with the debut of the Boeing-sponsored program "Moonshot." This two-hour original drama will feature NASA footage and character reenactments to tell the story of America's mission to the moon. The program also will include Boeing's involvement in the construction of Saturn V -- the rocket that became the launch vehicle for the Apollo 11 mission. "Moonshot" will air today at 9 p.m. Eastern time and on Tuesday at 1 a.m. Eastern time (check local listings). ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:41:19 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs Asked the person who had the adapter I saw for the 722.3 to toyota truck case, and he pointed me to where he got most of it: http://www.ottindustries.com/divorcetoyota.htm If you were going to go this route, you'd need either an older J10 front axle to get passenger drop, use the toyota case as a crawl box (marlin crawler style) and have the rear case be driver's drop (probably the route I'd go) or something like this to flip the toy case over to driver's drop: http://www.inchwormgear.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1001&osCsid=f88bc0757f3086cd829b0e284e1826b1 Part of the reason I'd go with the crawl box option is it might not be a whole lot more expensive to go that route than flip the case and it opens a lot of doors on the trail. The early J-10 axle is going to be the easiest, though. Don't forget if you're putting the mercedes transmission into something, that conventional thought with respect to gearing gets thrown out the window since it has a low first (3.6:1?) and no overdrive. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:20:58AM -0700, Kevin wrote: > The roll your own option has some merits as well. I saw a picture a while > back where a guy adapted off the back of the 722.3's three bolt rubber > donut a four bolt flange that attached to a spline that was attached to > a toyota pickup transfercase. Lots of people use pieces of the old pickup > transfercase between their existing transmission and another transfercase > for a crawl box, and the old ones (from the carbed trucks) were gear driven > and quite stout. But its problem is the same as that diesel landcruiser you > posted - it's passenger drop. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesels and ATs all these adapters add a lot of expense... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, Kevin wrote: # Asked the person who had the adapter I saw for the 722.3 to toyota truck case, # and he pointed me to where he got most of it: # http://www.ottindustries.com/divorcetoyota.htm # # If you were going to go this route, you'd need either an older J10 front axle # to get passenger drop, use the toyota case as a crawl box (marlin crawler # style) and have the rear case be driver's drop (probably the route I'd go) # or something like this to flip the toy case over to driver's drop: # http://www.inchwormgear.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1001&osCsid=f88bc0757f3086cd829b0e284e1826b1 # # Part of the reason I'd go with the crawl box option is it might not be a whole # lot more expensive to go that route than flip the case and it opens a lot of # doors on the trail. # # The early J-10 axle is going to be the easiest, though. # # Don't forget if you're putting the mercedes transmission into something, # that conventional thought with respect to gearing gets thrown out the window # since it has a low first (3.6:1?) and no overdrive. # # On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:20:58AM -0700, Kevin wrote: # > The roll your own option has some merits as well. I saw a picture a while # > back where a guy adapted off the back of the 722.3's three bolt rubber # > donut a four bolt flange that attached to a spline that was attached to # > a toyota pickup transfercase. Lots of people use pieces of the old pickup # > transfercase between their existing transmission and another transfercase # > for a crawl box, and the old ones (from the carbed trucks) were gear driven # > and quite stout. But its problem is the same as that diesel landcruiser you # > posted - it's passenger drop. # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] size difference? other than weight, does anyone know what the relative differences are in size between a Jeep 4.2 and: Jeep 4.0 (think it's the same block) = 0 SD33/SD33T = ? Mercedes I-5 Diesel = ? guess a better question is, what would be reliable and consistent points to measure on the different engines? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:23:38 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: [db] Re: xj: OT: History Channel - 40th anniverary of the Moon shot - tonight... (7/20/2009) (fwd) Hello John, Thanks for the notice. I was 8 years old and I remember seeing it from school. Marc Z in NC. john wrote: > FYI, > > ...for those of us old enough to remember this... ;) > > > History Channel to feature Boeing-sponsored 'Moonshot' > > > The History Channel will commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing > today with the debut of the Boeing-sponsored program "Moonshot." This two-hour original > drama will feature NASA footage and character reenactments to tell the story of America's > mission to the moon. The program also will include Boeing's involvement in the construction > of Saturn V -- the rocket that became the launch vehicle for the Apollo 11 mission. > > "Moonshot" will air today at 9 p.m. Eastern time and on Tuesday at 1 a.m. Eastern time > (check local listings). > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: [db] the reality check Finally sat down and figured out all the swap combinations and drive train options for my '83 J10 stepside and the '86 cj-10a. I looked at using a Mercedes Diesel (617/602 or 603) mated to an AW4 (XJ auto), or even my T-5... the SD33T... a Cummins(onan) 6AT, another 6.2... then I looked at the parts pile I have, and my checkbook... ...all I need to do is get ONE SD33T running, either buy fixing/swapping the IP in the one I have or buying one I know of... then mate it to my spare 727, of course having it gone through and mated to a Jeep np208... then drop the entire adventure into the J10... one swap... one time... :) (too bad the SD33T that I have didn't work. :( While it would be cool to put a turbo in the tug, or a 4.0/AW4, but there's no real point to it... I can't justify having two toys, and my '83 J10 stepside is a nicer riding rig with a/c, more room, more capability... I like the cj-10a, but while very cool, it just isn't as good as my J10. So, I considered putting a Mercedes 617/602 or 603 in the J10, but there are no adapters to automatics... then considering the costs of adapters or the effort involved in making my own, the SD33T/727 will work just fine, and makes sense... proven technology in the Scouts, giving 20/24 mpg in a vehicle with the same weight/tires/gears... I still need to get that flex plate, a torque converter, and change the output shaft in the 727 and have it shiftkitted... unless someone nearby has a complete 727 setup for the Jeep NP198 or 208... I have a good Aw4 to trade... or a Scout T19/Dana 300... or a C6/NP205... Hopefully my J10 will be reassembled with the 4.2/T5/np208 and painted here within the next few weeks... then I can gather up all the bits and pieces to build a functioning Diesel drivetrain that will basically drop right in... :) once the J10 is functioning then the tug will be up for sale... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3115 **********************************