From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Wed Dec 2 14:43:03 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, December 2 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3181 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: popcorn ready? 4.0L found, WJ first out? 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:54:47 -0800 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: popcorn ready? 4.0L found, WJ first out? Thanx Kevin, that info makes it easier... I doubt they changed the mounts between those two models and years. 2000 WJ vs. 2004 TJ... all the sensors and such are in the same place. I'll pull the remains of the deceased 4.0 out, that'll give me an idea of what I'll need. I guess I'll get my shop crane from my friend Dave at lunch on Thursday, if that works for him... Mark pointed out that the hood on this WJ is better than ours... seems something fell out of the rafters in the monster carport a while back... ;) Paul emailed, he's out... Christmas is coming and he's got three kids... So my plan is to get this WJ reassembled and running and sold ASAP... will need the money to cover SuperDawg's paint job and all the costs of acquiring these projects. Today is Monday, right? no... Tuesday... ok... tomorrow tires on the XJ... top off the 300D, Thursday get the shop crane and cash, start prepping the block for removal... Friday, yard out the old engine... Saturday take delivery and drop in the hole. It's not impossible to think I could have it back on the road late Saturday, or after church on Sunday... :) john Kevin wrote: > Either check block castings or do some measurements. Some WJs (and ZJs) used > different mounts (staggered vs. flat) than XJs and TJs. Can't remember if TJs > used the same as XJ or WJ or were their own.I was able to get the engine out > of the XJ by disconnecting (and dropping) > the transmission, then pulling the engine out through the top. Radiator > removal not necessary, nor was AC discharge. To come out the front, you'll > have to discharge the AC. > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:32:36PM -0800, diesel john wrote: > >> just found a 2004 4.0L out of a Wrangler with 28k on it... $800 >> and the guy will deliver it... >> >> I could have the WJ back on the road within a few days from the sounds of it... >> >> How much of the front end do I need to take off to drop a 4.0 into a WJ??? >> >> Guess I'll take the hood off... pull the radiator... any other suggestions? >> >> Oh yeah, Dave, looks like I'll need my shop crane again... unless of course Paul >> acts quick... :) >> >> Need to change the lyrics to a song: Saturday nights alright for swapping... >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:35:51 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens This morning I am driving to work and I notice that my oil pressure is hovering between 0 and 1 bar...WTF!! Since I was only two blocks from work, I finish driving in, pop the hood, dipstick is fine, no leaking around the canister, but no oil pressure. Napa is about a = mile from my office, think I am going to run over there and let them know the issues I am having with the filter. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:12:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens I wonder if it's a fram... who are the makers of filters now??? you can order a mann or wix from amsoil: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 and maybe even buy me a senior coffee at the same time... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # This morning I am driving to work and I notice that my oil pressure is # hovering between 0 and 1 bar...WTF!! Since I was only two blocks from work, # I finish driving in, pop the hood, dipstick is fine, no leaking around the # canister, but no oil pressure. Napa is about a = mile from my office, think I # am going to run over there and let them know the issues I am having with the # filter. # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:40 -0600 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens Don't rule out the oil pressure sender. Had that suddenly die on my previous 89 300CE gasser and got that same Time To Change Your Pants oil pressure reading. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo 25K On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM, john wrote: > I wonder if it's a fram... > > who are the makers of filters now??? > > you can order a mann or wix from amsoil: > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > and maybe even buy me a senior coffee at the same time... ;) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: > > # This morning I am driving to work and I notice that my oil pressure is > # hovering between 0 and 1 bar...WTF!! Since I was only two blocks from > work, > # I finish driving in, pop the hood, dipstick is fine, no leaking around > the > # canister, but no oil pressure. Napa is about a = mile from my office, > think I > # am going to run over there and let them know the issues I am having with > the > # filter. > # > # > # > # Nick > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:49:49 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender got disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. Nick ________________________________ From: Alec Cordova [mailto:benzaholic@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:25 AM To: Nick Eckert; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens Don't rule out the oil pressure sender. Had that suddenly die on my previous 89 300CE gasser and got that same Time To Change Your Pants oil pressure reading. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 08 smart fortwo 25K On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM, john wrote: I wonder if it's a fram... who are the makers of filters now??? you can order a mann or wix from amsoil: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 and maybe even buy me a senior coffee at the same time... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # This morning I am driving to work and I notice that my oil pressure is # hovering between 0 and 1 bar...WTF!! Since I was only two blocks from work, # I finish driving in, pop the hood, dipstick is fine, no leaking around the # canister, but no oil pressure. Napa is about a = mile from my office, think I # am going to run over there and let them know the issues I am having with the # filter. # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:54:43 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little o-ring) that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't included with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender got > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:58:47 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens It's just slightly above zero at idle and comes up to 1 at speed. I replaced both stem seal o-rings 2 oil changes ago. The same time I replaced the o-rings on the top of the injection pump and re-built the injectors. Nick - -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@mordred.punk.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:55 AM To: Nick Eckert Cc: Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little o-ring) that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't included with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender got > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:58:48 -0600 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens When my sender failed, it was not complete. Pressure would show about zero at idle, but if I kept revs up a couple thousand, I was getting between 2 and 3 bar, just no unusual valve noise. Still scared the bejeepers out of me. Alec On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Kevin wrote: > > Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. > > Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little o-ring) > that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't included > with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: > > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender got > > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my > > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens this is why I only buy my oil filters for my benz from the dealer... lynnwood benz and phil smart are very nice to work with for parts ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # It's just slightly above zero at idle and comes up to 1 at speed. # # I replaced both stem seal o-rings 2 oil changes ago. The same time I # replaced the o-rings on the top of the injection pump and re-built the # injectors. # # Nick # # -----Original Message----- # From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@mordred.punk.net] # Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:55 AM # To: Nick Eckert # Cc: Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens # # Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. # # Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little # o-ring) # that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't # included # with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. # # On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: # > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender # got # > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my # > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:26:53 -0800 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens Problem Solved - In a way it was related to the filter o-ring. After the o-ring didn't seal on the filter housing, oil was blown all over the back of the engine and below the housing. I brought the car to a car wash and squirted the engine bay down with Super Clean and gave it a good squirt down with high pressure warm water. I thought it had a mechanical gauge, but it has an electric gauge. The wire was still firmly connected, but the connection was not good. A little tap on the connection and the gauge sprang to life...WHEW! Thanks for everyone offering help and assistance. I really like mechanical gauges better. Cheers, Nick - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john@wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:25 AM To: Nick Eckert Cc: Kevin; Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens this is why I only buy my oil filters for my benz from the dealer... lynnwood benz and phil smart are very nice to work with for parts ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # It's just slightly above zero at idle and comes up to 1 at speed. # # I replaced both stem seal o-rings 2 oil changes ago. The same time I # replaced the o-rings on the top of the injection pump and re-built the # injectors. # # Nick # # -----Original Message----- # From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@mordred.punk.net] # Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:55 AM # To: Nick Eckert # Cc: Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens # # Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. # # Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little # o-ring) # that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't # included # with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. # # On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: # > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the sender # got # > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry my # > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:30:56 -0800 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens > I really like mechanical gauges better. > I did too until all my right shoes turned black. I think I had to replace the oil gauge in my 123 4 times. Anybody want a 1982 300CD? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens you won't like the mechanical gauge if it lets go inside... think back to how many underside of mercedes dashboards you've seen with oil on them... nasty oil too... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # Problem Solved - # # In a way it was related to the filter o-ring. After the o-ring # didn't seal on the filter housing, oil was blown all over the back of # the engine and below the housing. # # I brought the car to a car wash and squirted the engine bay down # with Super Clean and gave it a good squirt down with high pressure warm # water. # # I thought it had a mechanical gauge, but it has an electric # gauge. The wire was still firmly connected, but the connection was not # good. A little tap on the connection and the gauge sprang to # life...WHEW! # # Thanks for everyone offering help and assistance. # # I really like mechanical gauges better. # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john@wagoneers.com] # Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:25 AM # To: Nick Eckert # Cc: Kevin; Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net # Subject: RE: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens # # this is why I only buy my oil filters for my benz from the dealer... # lynnwood benz # and phil smart are very nice to work with for parts # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Nick Eckert wrote: # # # It's just slightly above zero at idle and comes up to 1 at speed. # # # # I replaced both stem seal o-rings 2 oil changes ago. The same time I # # replaced the o-rings on the top of the injection pump and re-built # the # # injectors. # # # # Nick # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@mordred.punk.net] # # Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:55 AM # # To: Nick Eckert # # Cc: Alec Cordova; diesel-benz-digest@digest.net # # Subject: Re: [db] Napa Gold Filter - Plot Thickens # # # # Who knows. Sometimes it won't fail all the way. # # # # Is it low just at idle? If so, it might be the stem seal (the little # # o-ring) # # that you're supposed to change every so often, that usually isn't # # included # # with the oil filters and needs to be ordered separately. # # # # On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:49:49AM -0800, Nick Eckert wrote: # # > I thought about that too, but it is not reading zero. If the # sender # # got # # > disconnected or failed, wouldn't it just read zero? I don't carry # my # # > service manual with me, where is the sender? It's a 1991 300D. # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3181 **********************************