From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sun Dec 27 19:29:55 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, December 28 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3201 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] glow plugs 124 / 300D 2.5L TD [db] Merry Christmas [db] tug sold Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] glow plugs 124 / 300D 2.5L TD Fred, The other advantage you have over me is elevation... I suppose if I stand on a small ladder... I tend to agree with you about replacing them all... I've replaced parts thinking I'd be better off and find out that they weren't as good or didn't last... so will try your approach. I took pictures, editing them right now over at my daughters while my wife and daughter bake and decorate her first Christmas tree in her and her new husband's townhome... Christmas music playing on their big screen... my wife bought a Christmas music with pictures "CD/DVD"... or so she thought... couldn't get it to work at our house... I tried it on my PC and it didn't work or register... I looked at the disc and I was thinking it wasn't recorded, then I looked at the label... BluRay... ahh... that won't work in a DVD player... :) Merry Christmas... pictures coming soon... the mountains were lit up nicely this afternoon and yesterday... took about 180 pictures... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, FParker wrote: # # Hey John and Mike - # # I changed #2 on my car last week. Took me about an hour, but some of that # time was fumbling around figuring out how to attack it. I'd say 15 # minutes - 30 tops including cleaning the tools if I were to do it again # today. # # Disconnect all of the injector lines at the pump and carefully push them # aside. If you really want to be anal and not bend them, remove them # completely but you just add a lot of time to the job. With the lines # removed, you will be able to get a 1/4 inch ratchet and socket in there to # remove the wire connector and then the plug. It's tight, but if my big # Irish hands can fit in there I would guess most others should have no # problem. # # I know that there is valid wisdom that suggests replacing all of the plugs # at the same time, but my experience with two of these cars over the last 7 # years has been to only replace the one that is bad. I will tell you that # some of the old plugs have out-lasted the newer ones. However, it would be # fun to take the manifold off and clean the goo out of it sometime ;-) # # Good luck - let me know how you make out - # Fred # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net]On Behalf Of john # Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:54 PM # To: David Ashby; FParker # Cc: diesel-benz list # Subject: Re: [db] glow plugs 124 / 300D 2.5L TD # # # Fred and Mike, # # Thanx both for the replies, very helpful information. # # Found that taking the 10mm nuts off the relay allowed me to remove # the connector for testing. # # Looks like I'll be able to exercise Mike's wisdom... guess which # one is bad... 20% chance... yep... #2. I can't even see it. So I'll # pull the intake and clean things up. # # My engine is pretty nasty looking anyway, time to do some cleaning. # # I'll put pictures up later... heading over to my daughter's for # Christmas Eve. Tomorrow we're going there for Christmas dinner... # but Saturday... all cleared for wrenching... # # So... just how hard is it to get #2 glow plug out? # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, fparker24@verizon.net wrote: # # # Hi John # # Yep, the symptoms that you describe (including the light on the dash) # mean # one or more # # bad glow plug. There is a black box on the drivers side of the engine # compartment with # # an awkward side cover that pops off. Take the cover off and unplug the # harness to the # # glow plugs. Put a continuity tester on the harness side and to ground - # you will find # # which one is bad. The harness plug is numbered 1-6. (you will note that # 6 # is empty) # # # # # # # # I change them out as they burn out as opposed to all at once. It is # possible to change # # each one of the glow plugs on this engine without taking the intake off # but # you have to # # be a bit patient with a few of them. Keep your fingers crossed that it # is # not #2 because # # it is the hardest one to do. # # # # # # # # Good luck! And Merry Christmas! # # # # # # # # Fred # # # # # # # # # # # # Dec 24, 2009 12:54:48 PM, john@wagoneers.com wrote: # # ok... what's the easiest way of testing the glow plugs on a # # 1991 300D with a 2.5L TD? # # # # I can see a black box on the driver's side firewall, but there is # # a gizmo of some sort over it and in the way... the glow plugs # themselves # # are kind of hiding behind the IP pump and the intake... # # # # I'm hoping it's just a glow plug: Symptoms: # # # # turn the key in the morning - NO glow plug light... # # wait a little... start and it's starting on less than all # cylinders... # # rocks and smokes and bucks and coughs... give it a little throttle # to # wake up # # all of them # # and it's smooth as glass like normal and # # THEN the glow plug light comes on... and stays on for a bit. # # # # # # This does confirm to me that all the glow plugs aren't right on my # tug, # # because it tends # # to smoke a bit on startup too... but there are six cylinders so # things just # # work better. :) # # # # # # anyway, the 300d has been starting even when it's gotten "bitter # cold" and # # down to oh, say # # 35 deg F this morning... it's even doing better on BioDiesel than # the # tug... # # I filled it up # # with all pump Diesel last night though... Of course there are still # five # # other operating # # vehicles here so it's not the end of the show if it doesn't # start... # # # # thanx, and Merry Christmas, # # remember, the reason for the season is Jesus. # # john # # # # # # ----- # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] Merry Christmas preliminary pictures of the glowplugs on the '91 300D: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/124-2.5L-glowplugs/ALL.html Saturday starts more wrenching... alarm system swap on the 300d, then the 4.0 swap on the WJ... a bit more work on the '89 XJ... may be putting the '86 cj-10a back to stop form for a trade... we'll see. have had some nice clear weather, snow on the mountains, late afternoon sun: http://fotomeister.us/2009/12-Dec-23-afternoonCascades/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/2009/12-Dec-24-afternoonCascades/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/2009/ http://fotomeister.us/2009/12-Dec-15-FIRST_FLIGHT_787/ Merry Christmas... remember, Jesus is the reason for the season! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: [db] tug sold the cj-10a sold today... cash buyer... the guy is into classic cj's... has a '78 cj7 he bought new... a jeepster commando and a few others. guess I need to encourage curtis to finish my j10 or ask him to help me haul WVO cubies with his J10. ;) the engine swap in the '00 wj made some progress yesterday... today we went to Leavenworth, WA... pictures will be up at http://fotomeister.us/2009 took a lot, will take a while for me to edit them, just look for the Dec 27 pictures. looks like I'll be driving the '89 xj until it sells... but that may not be very long either. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3201 **********************************