From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Dec 29 12:32:10 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, December 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3204 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? I've been searching the internet... can't find the issues... seems that all the reviews are very favorable... what kind of issues? where's kevin, I figure he'll have something to say about this... he must be digging his jetta out. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Well, not to throw cold water on your enthusiasm... I just e-mailed # my buddy # and he confirmed 17-19 mpg but asked why on earth anyone # would want one of # these. He's had nothing but trouble with his. I # admit, I've had trouble with # mine as well but I contribute most of # the problems with mine to my laziness # and lack of proper maintenance. # You know... pay me now or pay me later. # Well, I'm always on the later # side of that equation... ;) # # But, I guess... # Be warned. A current owner would RUN the other # direction. # # Jim # # --- On Tue, # 12/29/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? # > To: "Jim # Hoffman" # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:43 PM # > # high teens would be better than mid # > teens I was getting with the tug... # > # > # I'm pumped... I may run down and buy it out of the shop... # > ;) just called # > # the shop... they'll let me look at it in the shop... dang, # > keep forgetting # > # to ask how many miles... guess it doesn't matter all that # > much if it runs # > # good. what transmission did they use? C6? # > # > the pictures look nice... # clean... simple... not sure what # > appeals more to # > me... 4x4, Diesel, the # color, or the price... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # For that price, ship it over # here! ;) # > # # > # I've heard guys getting low 20's with them but I think # > # my buddy # > # get's high teens. # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Tue, # 12/29/09, john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # # > # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not # > # finished, now what? # > # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > # > Cc: # diesel-benz@digest.net # > # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:14 PM # > # # > thanx... it's in the shop for a PS # > # > hose right now, it's about 60 # miles # > # > south of me... they're asking $2250 for it... # > # > # > # > # what kind of mileage would I expect in town with # > it? # > # > # > # > john # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # > # > # # That's the last year of the eighth # > generation F-series: # > # > # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series # > # > # # > # > # 7.3l Navistar # diesel. Non-turbo # > # > # IDI (indirect injection). Basically # > # > # # the same engine I have in my '94 but # > # > # minus the turbo. My buddy has # > # > # an 87 and I've driven it. It's got plenty # > of # > # > # pep for a # non turbo # > # > # engine. That truck looks nice. I'd # > certainly # > # > # take it for # > # > # an interim # > # > # truck. # > # > # # > # > # Jim # > # # > # # > # > # > a '91 F250: (pretty far away, who # > knows about # > # > # the # > # > # '91 # > # > # > F250 Diesels??? AT... issues?) # > # > # > # > # # > # http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4154196630_14bae24274_b.jpg # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > The # > # > # '91 F250 looks good in the pictures, # around # > book # > # > # > value... thinking I might # > # > # > be able to # trade the '89 XJ towards # > it... IF I ever # > # > get the # > # > # > title # from the # > # > # guy # > # > # > that blew the engine in the '00WJ... # > why # am I # > # > always # > # > # > waiting on # > # > # someone???? # > # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > thoughts on the '91 F250 Diesel 4x4? # > should # > # > be # easy # > # > # > to # > # > # sell when my J10 is done... # > # > # > what # kind of mileage will it get? # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # # > # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? the tug has left the snohomish monster carport... :( - ------------- how does an oil pan rust through??? rust? whazzthat? sounds like the biggest issue is corrosion... starter, water pump and brakes... something to think about. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Well, let's see if I can remember... His oil pan rusted through (mine is too). His fuel tank rusted through (mine is too). Radiators don't seem to last long (I've gone through three in the past 5 years). Two water pumps, a starter. Front brakes are hard to replace on the 4X4 versions. There's more but I'd have to contact him again... # # Jim # # # --- On Tue, 12/29/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:03 PM # > can you get specifics? # > # > toss that cold water... :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Well, not to throw cold water on your # > enthusiasm... I just e-mailed # > # my buddy # > # and he confirmed 17-19 mpg but asked why on earth # > anyone # > # would want one of # > # these. He's had nothing but trouble with # > his. I # > # admit, I've had trouble with # > # mine as well but I contribute most of # > # the problems with mine to my laziness # > # and lack of proper maintenance. # > # You know... pay me now or pay me later. # > # Well, I'm always on the later # > # side of that equation... ;) # > # # > # But, I guess... # > # Be warned. A current owner would RUN the other # > # direction. # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Tue, # > # 12/29/09, john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # > # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not # > finished, now what? # > # > To: "Jim # > # Hoffman" # > # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:43 PM # > # > # > # high teens would be better than mid # > # > teens I was getting with the tug... # > # > # > # > # > # I'm pumped... I may run down and buy it out of the # > shop... # > # > ;) just called # > # > # > # the shop... they'll let me look at it in the shop... # > dang, # > # > keep forgetting # > # > # > # to ask how many miles... guess it doesn't matter all # > that # > # > much if it runs # > # > # > # good. what transmission did they use? C6? # > # > # > # > the pictures look nice... # > # clean... simple... not sure what # > # > appeals more to # > # > me... 4x4, Diesel, the # > # color, or the price... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # > # > # For that price, ship it over # > # here! ;) # > # > # # > # > # I've heard guys getting low 20's with them # > but I think # > # > # > # my buddy # > # > # get's high teens. # > # > # # > # > # Jim # > # > # # > # > # --- On Tue, # > # 12/29/09, john # > # > wrote: # > # > # # > # > # > From: john # > # # > # > # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, # > J10 not # > # > # > # finished, now what? # > # > # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > # > # > Cc: # > # diesel-benz@digest.net # > # > # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, # > 12:14 PM # > # > # # > # > thanx... it's in the shop for a PS # > # > # > hose right now, it's about 60 # > # miles # > # > # > south of me... they're asking $2250 # > for it... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # what kind of mileage would I expect in town with # > # > it? # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # > Snohomish, Washington # > -o|||||o- where # > # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # > # > # http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > # http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman # > wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # That's the last year of the eighth # > # > generation F-series: # > # > # > # # > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series # > # > # > # # > # > # > # 7.3l Navistar # > # diesel. Non-turbo # > # > # > # IDI (indirect # > injection). Basically # > # > # > # # > # the same engine I have in my '94 but # > # > # > # minus the turbo. My # > buddy has # > # > # > # an 87 and I've driven # > it. It's got plenty # > # > of # > # > # > # pep for a # > # non turbo # > # > # > # engine. That truck looks # > nice. I'd # > # > certainly # > # > # > # > # take it for # > # > # > # an interim # > # > # > # truck. # > # > # > # # > # > # > # Jim # > # > # > # # > # # > # > # > # > a '91 F250: (pretty # > far away, who # > # > knows about # > # > # > # > # the # > # > # > # '91 # > # > # > # > F250 Diesels??? # > AT... issues?) # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # > # http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4154196630_14bae24274_b.jpg # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > The # > # > # > # '91 F250 looks good in the # > pictures, # > # around # > # > book # > # > # > # > value... thinking I # > might # > # > # > # > be able to # > # trade the '89 XJ towards # > # > it... IF I ever # > # > # > get the # > # > # > # > title # > # from the # > # > # > # guy # > # > # > # > that blew the engine in # > the '00WJ... # > # > why # > # am I # > # > # > always # > # > # > # > waiting on # > # > # > # someone???? # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > thoughts on the '91 F250 # > Diesel 4x4? # > # > should # > # > # > be # > # easy # > # > # > # > to # > # > # > # sell when my J10 is done... # > # > # > # > what # > # kind of mileage will it get? # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? rofl... I think I'll go and look at that '75 300D... I may look at the F250, once it's out of the shop... maybe... not sure if I want to drive that far when I have jeeps and mercedes to fix... maybe I should just use the '89 xj for the time being... no need to buy yet another vehicle... at least until I sell the '89 xj and the '00 WJ. Gas isn't that expensive... thanx Jim... if I look at the F250 I will look at it with a careful eye... knowing what I'm getting into is a good plan... always find friends on the list helpful. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Here are three e-mails from my buddy... As you will soon see, he's # not real fond of the problems he's had and now is not real fond of # me for making him relive the memories... ;) # # Oh, and he mentions cavitation, my truck's engine was replaced at # 60k miles by Ford after failing by cavitation. My truck's E40D was # also replaced by the previous owner at 99k. They ARE a weak link. # If that '91 is an automatic it almost certainly has an E40D. Look # THAT one up online... ;) # # He's an entertaining writer. Another engineer geek. ;) # # Jim # # # Emergency brake linkage cable broke. # Fuel Pump went bad # Water pump failed # Power steering hose ruptured # Power steering box blew seal # Ball joints busted # Rusted brake lines # Transfer box locked up due to a broken seal leaking all the fluid. # Cold temp idle advance switch replaced by a toggle switch and an owner standing on a slippery bumper under a raised hood freezing his jingle bells off and cursing every time he wants the truck to start. # Glowplugs needing to be replaced by the ones from Germany since the AC Delco ones burn out the first time you use them. # Headlamp switch burned up harness # Paint fell off # Muffler support bracket rusts out as you watch # # Shall I go on? # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # I meant to say "Injector pump went bad". Don't want the guy getting the idea he was going to get away with just $100.00 when $1000.00 is so much better. # # Oh, did I mention that I have lived in fear that the dread E4OD automatic transmission I had could explode at any time? # # About the only things I haven't change are the Injectors. # # Thanks for helping me to relive those wonderful memories. # # ;-) # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Did I mention the cavitation "issue"? The one that Ford was sued for and lost? The one that required them to repair thousands of commercial vehicles since no mention of the coolant additive was ever made? # # Short of using a borescope or a complete teardown there is no way for him to know the status of the block. If he's unlucky enough to have a cylinder wall perforation while cranking he will most likely have a broken connecting rod, piston, and possibly a bent crankshaft. Water is not compressible and there is not much that can stop that series-wound DC starter motor from turning. # # Oh, if he is expecting to be comfortable in the cab while he's driving tell him to forget it: # A/C lost Freon and it's more expensive per ounce than fillet mignon # Climate Control linkage busted so it's stuck on HOT # Fan speed control busted so it's either High or nothing # # Yep, all salt-related problems... # # ;) # # Then there's the time I tried to start it and the ring terminal carrying battery current to the starter MELTED into a puddle of bronze that solidified on my driveway. Oh it was so much fun to remove that harness and then actually get it repaired rather than buy a new one at over $150.00 with my Q/G discount. Of course, the missing half inch of wire where the guy had to attach the new ring terminal using a crimper you hit with a hammer to make the crimp (that is really thick wire) made it almost impossible to reattach the cable. I thanked Ford for that money-saving design the whole time I was under the truck struggling with it. # # Then again, if he does buy the truck he can proudly tell his friends that, since Ford made the battery cables on the driver side thinner than those on the passenger side, he has to "Jump the passenger" if he ever needs a jump start. Of course, he will need a tractor trailer rig to supply the current he needs but, well, a guy can dream. # # C* # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3204 **********************************