From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Wed Dec 30 07:57:55 2009 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, December 30 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3205 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Re: [db] 123 240D engine in a 115 220D Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Re: [db] 123 240D engine in a 115 220D RE: [db] glow plugs 124 / 300D 2.5L TD [db] a day of wrenching... Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:32:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? rofl... :) thank him before he hits the ground, if you please. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # A little more... # # # ME after he asked if I needed more: # Yes, could you please?? # # ;) # # HIM: # Already done. # # I feel so good now I think I'll go up to the roof and jump off. # # ;-) # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:34:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 123 240D engine in a 115 220D you'd have to compare the blocks to see if the motor mounts are about the same... if so then it's feasible... ANYTHING can be made to fit with a large enough hammer, a torch and a welder... believe me... ;) been there, done that... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Josh Poage wrote: # Hi everyone, # # Haven't been on this list in several years so I hope there's someone left # on it! I have a 73 220D that's in pretty good condition except with a # blown engine. Since 123 240D engines (OM603?) are generally easier to # find than 220D engines (OM615?), how hard is it to transplant an engine # from a 240D? # # Thanks! # # Josh # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:33:06 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? I like the non-turbos, though they aren't without their issues. Biggest things I'd be concerned about are: - for whatever reason, they (and the powerstrokes that came after them) have an appetite for glow plugs. Not too hard of a job, if you don't mind taking the valve covers off. The secret is to use motorcraft plugs and not some knockoff, think the motorcraft ones are beru but not quite sure. They are fairly cheap if you get them from autozone. Replacing the glow plug relay is a good idea. - the overdrive automatic, while a fairly solid transmission, has had LOTS of upgrades since it came out. My 96 is on at least its second, don't know how many it's had. I haven't had to rebuild it, but it's something to keep in mind. Part of the problem is it likes to lug, then hunt itself to death. - the twin traction beam front end, like its twin i-beam 2wd brother, can be annoying to keep aligned (and therefore keep tires on). This isn't a problem if you get an F-350 that year, since those had a straight dana 60. My F-250 will be getting one of these because even after replacing the balljoints, it's still annoying to keep aligned and keep tires on. - the injector pumps do wear out and the truck will be almost impossible to start when this happens. IIRC, the non turbos used the same pump as GM did on the 6.2. - you know about cavitation. there are test strips available to make sure that the seller was at least smart enough to top off the additive to make sure it looked like the truck was cared for. Compared to its competition (the 6.2), it has more power and doesn't have to work nearly as hard to move the truck around. My 87 6.2 has half the miles my 96 F250 has, and the body is nowhere near as tight as either the F250 or the two year older F350. Interestingly enough, the nonturbo 7.3 made more horsepower than the first generation turbo cummins. And the jetta's fine, it seems to have survived a round of four wheeling in the yard without too many issues :) On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:27:19AM -0800, john wrote: > I've been searching the internet... can't find the issues... seems that all > the reviews are very favorable... what kind of issues? > > where's kevin, I figure he'll have something to say about this... he > must be digging his jetta out. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:24:07 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] 123 240D engine in a 115 220D The body supports get in the way of the oil filter housing, wont fit. Josh Poage wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Haven't been on this list in several years so I hope there's someone left > on it! I have a 73 220D that's in pretty good condition except with a > blown engine. Since 123 240D engines (OM603?) are generally easier to > find than 220D engines (OM615?), how hard is it to transplant an engine > from a 240D? > > Thanks! > > Josh > > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] glow plugs 124 / 300D 2.5L TD On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, FParker wrote: # Hi John - How did your fight with #2 glow plug go? VICTORIOUSLY... just finished (just made a large sandwich after completion and before this email, of course ;) was a miserable task, but better than pulling the intake manifold. I loosened all the injector lines at the pump and at the injectors, released all the lines so I didn't bend anything... then wrestled wrenches in from the IP side... not much room... my 12mm sockets were too short on my 3/8 and the 1/2 were too long to fit... the deeps wouldn't fit... well couldn't find my 3/8" drive 12mm... so I was struggling with a variety of inferior open end wrenches when I opened another tool box and found a 12mm "deep" in 1/4 in drive and that worked... Still it was a struggle... I got my left hand in there with extreme pain and tried to walk it out by hand... ended up using a long needlenose pliers through the top to rotate while pushing with my left finger, toward the end I managed to wiggle my thumb in and was able to painfully spin it out... yikes that was no fun. Going back in I was able to get it started and used the 1/4" 12mm deep to get it back on... then a 10mm open end to get the nut/connector back on... sure was nice of them to connect the glow plug wiring to that nut... I was standing by with a magnetic pickup because I figured I'd never be able to hold that in my fingers. :) was on the phone with one of my wrenching buddies the entire time, took just over an hour, hour and a half... but part of that time was putting the flex plate on the 4.0L... my son and I had pulled the 4.0 out of the '00 WJ just a little bit before I started on the glow plug. Talked to a mechanic friend who has a shop, he's quoting me $700 to put the 4.0 in the WJ... I think I'm going to try and do it myself despite my son's pessimism of getting it back in. ;) I think tomorrow I am going to attempt to reinstall the 4.0... it's not as bad as my son thinks... will insert the torque converter in the trans first, then lower the engine sans mounts in... line up with the trans, start a bolt or two, then install the engine mounts and drop it in place and tighten it all up as save $800... and a lot of hassle... I hope. it'll be a miserable job connecting everything back up of course... if I can get the engine in the hole and lined up I figure at least another 4 hrs of wrenching and connecting... next time I say, "it's just an engine swap" I hope I remember all the fun I'm having right now.... but like child birth, one forgets, or so I've been told... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # On Thu, 24 Dec 2009, FParker wrote: # # Hey John and Mike - # # I changed #2 on my car last week. Took me about an hour, but some of # that time was fumbling around figuring out how to attack it. I'd say 15 # # minutes - 30 tops including cleaning the tools if I were to do it again # # today. # # # # Disconnect all of the injector lines at the pump and carefully push them # # aside. If you really want to be anal and not bend them, remove them # # completely but you just add a lot of time to the job. With the lines # # removed, you will be able to get a 1/4 inch ratchet and socket in there # to # # remove the wire connector and then the plug. It's tight, but if my big # # Irish hands can fit in there I would guess most others should have no # # problem. # # # # I know that there is valid wisdom that suggests replacing all of the # plugs # # at the same time, but my experience with two of these cars over the last # 7 # # years has been to only replace the one that is bad. I will tell you that # # some of the old plugs have out-lasted the newer ones. However, it would # be # # fun to take the manifold off and clean the goo out of it sometime ;-) # # # # Good luck - let me know how you make out - # # Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] a day of wrenching... got the 4.0L out of the '00 WJ today... I think the replacement will go in easier than it came out... mark doesn't think so... :) got a quote to have the engine installed... but I'm going to try it tomorrow. http://wagoneers.com/WJ/tech/WJ-4.0L-swap/ALL.html chased a few parts today after the '86 cj-10a went away... got the glowplug for my '91 300D and installed that after pulling the 4.0L. http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/124-2.5L-glowplugs/ALL.html tomorrow I need to get the registration for the '89 XJ... down to two running vehicles... near panic setting in... ;) (the '99 WJ and the '91 300D). after much counseling, I decided it's best not to buy anything to replace the tug... considered a used ford Diesel pickup, but was talked out of it... I really need my '83 J10 stepside to be reassembled ASAP... hauling WVO with what I have now is going to be a problem. I was trying to sell that tug for months... figured my J10 was going to be done at the end of November as promised... guess I need to find some kind of plastic tubs to put the WVO containers in the back of the XJ until my J10 is done... my lower back does not like replacing glow plugs... argghh... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? you and jim h. talked me out of the f250 idea... glow plugs... had enough of a glow plug tonight to hold me for a while. :) have the '91 300d working, the '99 wj and of course the '89 xj for now, soon I hope to have the 2000 wj up and running... have the title for that one... get it together, cleaned up and sold ASAP... nice having the tug sold... paid off part of my daughter's wedding just a few minutes ago... have enough money left over to pay curtis for superdawg... of course I've had that money set aside for a long time, borrowed it from myself to buy the xj, then the wj... ;) with my luck I'll borrow it again and he'll be done and I'll have to borrow it for real to pay him... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: # I like the non-turbos, though they aren't without their issues. Biggest # things I'd be concerned about are: # - for whatever reason, they (and the powerstrokes that came after them) # have an appetite for glow plugs. Not too hard of a job, if you don't # mind taking the valve covers off. The secret is to use motorcraft plugs # and not some knockoff, think the motorcraft ones are beru but not quite # sure. They are fairly cheap if you get them from autozone. Replacing the # glow plug relay is a good idea. # - the overdrive automatic, while a fairly solid transmission, has had LOTS # of upgrades since it came out. My 96 is on at least its second, don't know # how many it's had. I haven't had to rebuild it, but it's something to keep # in mind. Part of the problem is it likes to lug, then hunt itself to # death. # - the twin traction beam front end, like its twin i-beam 2wd brother, can # be annoying to keep aligned (and therefore keep tires on). This isn't a # problem if you get an F-350 that year, since those had a straight dana # 60. My F-250 will be getting one of these because even after replacing # the balljoints, it's still annoying to keep aligned and keep tires on. # - the injector pumps do wear out and the truck will be almost impossible to # start when this happens. IIRC, the non turbos used the same pump as GM # did on the 6.2. # - you know about cavitation. there are test strips available to make sure # that the seller was at least smart enough to top off the additive to make # sure it looked like the truck was cared for. # # Compared to its competition (the 6.2), it has more power and doesn't have to # work nearly as hard to move the truck around. My 87 6.2 has half the miles # my 96 F250 has, and the body is nowhere near as tight as either the F250 or # the two year older F350. Interestingly enough, the nonturbo 7.3 made more # horsepower than the first generation turbo cummins. # # And the jetta's fine, it seems to have survived a round of four wheeling in # the yard without too many issues :) # # # On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:27:19AM -0800, john wrote: # > I've been searching the internet... can't find the issues... seems that all # > the reviews are very favorable... what kind of issues? # > # > where's kevin, I figure he'll have something to say about this... he # > must be digging his jetta out. ;) # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? Glow plugs aren't under the valve covers on an IDI. That's only on the Powerstroke. I changed all mine right after I got it and never took off a valve cover... Jim - --- On Wed, 12/30/09, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? > To: "Kevin" > Cc: "Jim Hoffman" , "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 12:13 AM > you and jim h. talked me out of the > f250 idea... > > glow plugs... had enough of a glow plug tonight to hold me > for a while. :) > > have the '91 300d working, the '99 wj and of course the '89 > xj for now, > soon I hope to have the 2000 wj up and running... have the > title for > that one... get it together, cleaned up and sold > ASAP... nice having > the tug sold... paid off part of my daughter's wedding just > a few minutes > ago... have enough money left over to pay curtis for > superdawg... of course > I've had that money set aside for a long time, borrowed it > from myself to > buy the xj, then the wj... ;) with my luck I'll > borrow it again and he'll > be done and I'll have to borrow it for real to pay him... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Kevin wrote: > > # I like the non-turbos, though they aren't without their > issues. Biggest > # things I'd be concerned about are: > # - for whatever reason, they (and the > powerstrokes that came after them) > # have an appetite for glow plugs. Not > too hard of a job, if you don't > # mind taking the valve covers off. > The secret is to use motorcraft plugs > # and not some knockoff, think the > motorcraft ones are beru but not quite > # sure. They are fairly cheap if you > get them from autozone. Replacing the > # glow plug relay is a good idea. > # - - the overdrive automatic, while a fairly > solid transmission, has had LOTS > # of upgrades since it came out. My 96 > is on at least its second, don't know > # how many it's had. I haven't had to > rebuild it, but it's something to keep > # in mind. Part of the problem is it > likes to lug, then hunt itself to > # death. > # - the twin traction beam front end, like > its twin i-beam 2wd brother, can > # be annoying to keep aligned (and > therefore keep tires on). This isn't a > # problem if you get an F-350 that > year, since those had a straight dana > # 60. My F-250 will be getting one of > these because even after replacing > # the balljoints, it's still annoying > to keep aligned and keep tires on. > # - the injector pumps do wear out and the > truck will be almost impossible to > # start when this happens. IIRC, the > non turbos used the same pump as GM > # did on the 6.2. > # - you know about cavitation. there are test > strips available to make sure > # that the seller was at least smart > enough to top off the additive to make > # sure it looked like the truck was > cared for. > # > # Compared to its competition (the 6.2), it has more power > and doesn't have to > # work nearly as hard to move the truck around. My 87 6.2 > has half the miles > # my 96 F250 has, and the body is nowhere near as tight as > either the F250 or > # the two year older F350. Interestingly enough, the > nonturbo 7.3 made more > # horsepower than the first generation turbo cummins. > # > # And the jetta's fine, it seems to have survived a round > of four wheeling in > # the yard without too many issues :) > # > # > # On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:27:19AM -0800, john wrote: > # > I've been searching the internet... can't find the > issues... seems that all > # > the reviews are very favorable... what kind of > issues? > # > > # > where's kevin, I figure he'll have something to say > about this... he > # > must be digging his jetta out. ;) > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3205 **********************************