From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat Jan 9 11:28:57 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, January 9 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3213 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] block heater question - redux [db] '98 TDI or '86 Ranger? Re: [db] '95 front bumper cover [db] Re: xj: RE: RE: popcorn update... CURED! [db] transmission question, popcorn report [db] need this part... :) Re: [db] transmission question, popcorn report [db] options/popcorn [db] glow plugs '91 300D 2.5L TD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:54:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: RE: [db] block heater question - redux Fred, Thanks for the plug location. Will check on this later. Should be able to figure out how to hook it up. Question is after 22-3 years will it still produce heat. J - -----Original Message----- >From: FParker >Sent: Jan 7, 2010 7:42 PM >To: 'john' >Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net >Subject: RE: [db] block heater question - redux > >The 2.5T has the heater element in the forward freeze plug on the >passenger side. Not all have the cord installed though. From what I >have seen, these engines had the element, but the cord was installed if >the customer paid for the option. > >Fred > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] >On Behalf Of john >Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:03 PM >To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] block heater question - redux > >I seem to recall that they are on the passenger side in a freezer plug >location, >possibly up under by the manifold area. I wonder if my '91 300D has one >too... >will have to look... :) > >john > > > > ----- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > # Speaking of block heaters. I have an 87 190 DT and going through my >second winter. Here in CT I never needed a heater car started right up >after an evening of 0 to single digits. > # > # I do wonder how it will behave in Maine where negative number prevale >on many days and nights. > # > # I currently do not have a block heater but have heard that all 87-93 >190Ds came with the heater preinstalled and all one has to do is install >the electrical pig tail to connect to an outlet. Can anyone confirm >that the block heaters were preinstalled? And if so what is a good >source for the pig tail. > # > # Thanks, > # > # J > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # >From: Anaeis N > # >Sent: Jan 7, 2010 6:37 PM > # >To: diesel-benz@digest.net > # >Subject: Re: [db] block heater question > # > > # >Hey, Alec! > # > > # >Thanks > # >for your quick reply. I am so appreciative of your assurance about > # >older Mercedes engineering and your pithy tutorial on block > # >heater/fluid interactions. This particular block heater > # >was installed in 2009, so I don't know if its design is perhaps less > # >thorough than the heaters that came with the early 80s cars, but I >will > # >trust your advice and your tip about watching the extension cord for > # >heat. > # > > # >Wishing you a Benz-filled new year! > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] '98 TDI or '86 Ranger? talked to the guy with the ranger Diesel... he's willing to come down to $2100... trans rebuild might cost a grand... (if it's totally bad), windshield < $200... - 29 MPG http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Ranger_Diesel_1986/ALL.html on the other hand, I found this '98 TDI for $1500 that is bright red and has issues, details: Red 1998 VW TDI. 5 speed manual transmission with 190k. This has been a great car to us over the years but recent mechanical failures mean it is time to say goodbye. Car starts but is not currently drivable. Engine, body, clutch and transmission all in good shape. Known issues: Diesel injection pump is leaking fuel onto the coolant hoses. The fuel is eating through the hoses causing the car to lose coolant. This is the current reason the car is not drivable at the moment. The power locks no longer function and the moonroof needs some adjustments to function correctly again. We have run this car on Biodiesel for many months without issue, would make a great SVO conversion project vehicle. Offering car at much less than the lowest kbb value of a car this age because of the problems, but once repaired this car is sure to have several hundred thousand more miles to give! $1500 obo I'm leaning toward the Ford Ranger again... (even over the Toyota PU that I can't get to until Sunday). the Ford rode nicely, was quite, had plenty of cab room... looks like installing a/c on it will be simple, even found the bolt holes on the engine for the bracketry! THOUGHTS? (besides the question of my sanity or the need for fresh popcorn...) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:30:13 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] '95 front bumper cover Mike, Thanks! I'll might just do that. Thanks, again. Jon Mike wrote: > You mean this thing? > > http://tinyurl.com/ydloudk > > I used one of their covers on my '99. It was a reasonably good fit, > just needed paint. > > Mike Frank > > At 09:50 PM 1/7/2010, you wrote: >> While that is getting repaired, I checked into having the from bumper >> repaired. Quite some time ago, I accidentally pulled up too close >> to a concrete parking lot bumper. The plastic valance hung up on >> the concrete and was broken when I backed away. The body shop >> estimated the repair to the front to be $985! The portion of the >> bumper cover that needs to be replaced was $530! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:54:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: RE: RE: popcorn update... CURED! wow... look at that hood... too bad it's so far away... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Darren K. Page wrote: # For those who got a wrapped link: # http://tinyurl.com/ycebty2 # # Sorry! # # Darren # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj@digest.net [mailto:owner-xj@digest.net] On Behalf Of Darren # K. Page # Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 PM # To: xj@digest.net # Subject: xj: RE: popcorn update... CURED! # # Diesel XJ: # http://london.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-SUVs-trucks-vans-SUV-crossover-1988- # Jeep-Cherokee-W0QQAdIdZ177035048# # # Check out the bump in the hood! # # Darren # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj@digest.net [mailto:owner-xj@digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:50 AM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: xj: popcorn update... # # having fun with friends and relatives back east and down south... it's 22 in # Houston I guess.. # 50 degrees up here in Seattle. :) # # found a '98 VW TDI with some mechanical issues for less than the assortment # of mini-Diesel pickups... # can get a 50 mpg car w/ a/c for a grand less than a very troubled # pickup... # going to check it out tomorrow... will continue to hope that PLAN A (aka # Superdawg) works out # and I'll let my son buy this TDI for his commute to UW in a year or so... # # the '00 WJ should be done tomorrow as well... still waiting on the title for # the '89 XJ, and # need a window motor... looks like we'll have mild weather this weekend, # should be able to wash # cars and clean up around the driveway a bit... and call friends and # relatives who # are sitting at negative zero temps... :) sure, they can boast about their # sunshine all they want... # # later, # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:19:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] transmission question, popcorn report still considering that '86 Ford Ranger Diesel with the Turbo Diesel and a sloppy 5 speed trans... does anyone know if a 5 speed from a Gas engine would work? Eric from one of the lists has made it quite clear that trans will be an ongoing issue and the trans shop confirmed it's made from unobtanium... I've found a couple cheap Rangers with better bodies, some with 4x4... manual transmissions, but gas engines... this could be a simple engine swap... provided I remember to ADD the pilot bushing... ;) I'm not eager to take on a massive project like that right now... not for a temporary (HOPEFULLY) vehicle. but it is a thought... haven't heard from the guy with the TDI yet... don't know where to go to look at it.... my son wants it for driving down to the U next year... so I may buy it and the Ranger and sell his 300D. the idea of getting 50mpg with a/c does appeal to me, but the red color is just wrong... so wrong... at least on the ranger it was so horribly faded it didn't look like red any more. :) the guy with the ranger will be unavaiable tomorrow (a good thing) because the guy with the Toyota is back on Sunday... I've heard lots of good things about toyota Diesels.. we'll see... guess I should give it a chance.... The ranger is nice, I liked driving it... but the transmission is an issue and will be... the Toyota hasn't got any mechanical issues, but it's naturally aspirated and will be about as fast as the tug... well, a little faster. :) no contact from the guy with the Izusu either. but that one is less appealing because of parts and an automatic that is known to have issues... I still haven't been able to talk to curtis to see if he will be at least able to reassemble my J10. anyway, any info on the Ford transmissions in the Ranger will be greatly appreciated... no need to worry about an automatic, would be ok, but with these little engines manuals are better. If I could find an AT that would bolt right up cheap then the ranger would be a winner... If there is hope of swapping any other manual trans in that thing and have it just bolt up, again, not worried about driveshaft length and would be happy to convert to 4wd if that worked out... not sure I really want that much project. Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to replace the power window motor in the '89 xj and find out if I lost another glow plug in my '91 300D. The '00 WJ will be ready next week I guess... thanx all, john safe to resume popcorn... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] need this part... :) 85 86 87 Ford Ranger Ignition Coil 2.3L Turbo Diesel http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/85-86-87-Ford-Ranger-Ignition-Coil-2-3L-Turbo-Diesel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem518f9de746QQitemZ350301841222QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] transmission question, popcorn report wish there was some way of knowing the the good 5 speed, if there is such a thing, could be swapped in... I like the truck otherwise. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # Its my understanding that there were two 5 speed trannies that were used in Rangers in 1986: # The Toyogoyo with the tilted pan that was total junk and a Mazda with a flat pan that was pretty good. When I asked my tranny shop why I could not just get a Mazda, they said that it would not fit. Still I bet that you could make it fit. Lets hope you like the Toyota! # # My Ranger with the sucky Toyogoyo was a gasser: a nice Ram-Air port injected V-6 that was just right for cruising on the highway in 5th gear. But fifth gear was on a bastard shaft and the bearing was not held in the case stiffly enough. If you replace the tranny and drive around in fourth you will probably be ok, but I am betting that you are cheap like me and will want to be in fifth. # # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: "john" # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 9:19:09 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific # Subject: [db] transmission question, popcorn report # # still considering that '86 Ford Ranger Diesel with the Turbo Diesel and a sloppy 5 speed trans... # does anyone know if a 5 speed from a Gas engine would work? Eric from one of the lists has made # it quite clear that trans will be an ongoing issue and the trans shop confirmed it's made from unobtanium... # # I've found a couple cheap Rangers with better bodies, some with 4x4... manual transmissions, but gas engines... # this could be a simple engine swap... provided I remember to ADD the pilot bushing... ;) I'm not eager to # take on a massive project like that right now... not for a temporary (HOPEFULLY) vehicle. # # but it is a thought... # # haven't heard from the guy with the TDI yet... don't know where to go to look at it.... # my son wants it for driving down to the U next year... so I may buy it and the Ranger and sell his 300D. # the idea of getting 50mpg with a/c does appeal to me, but the red color is just wrong... so wrong... at # least on the ranger it was so horribly faded it didn't look like red any more. :) # # the guy with the ranger will be unavaiable tomorrow (a good thing) because the guy with the Toyota is back on Sunday... # I've heard lots of good things about toyota Diesels.. we'll see... guess I should give it a chance.... # # The ranger is nice, I liked driving it... but the transmission is an issue and will be... the Toyota # hasn't got any mechanical issues, but it's naturally aspirated and will be about as fast as the tug... well, # a little faster. :) no contact from the guy with the Izusu either. but that one is less appealing because # of parts and an automatic that is known to have issues... # # I still haven't been able to talk to curtis to see if he will be at least able to reassemble my J10. # # anyway, any info on the Ford transmissions in the Ranger will be greatly appreciated... no need to worry # about an automatic, would be ok, but with these little engines manuals are better. If I could find an AT # that would bolt right up cheap then the ranger would be a winner... # # If there is hope of swapping any other manual trans in that thing and have it just bolt up, again, not # worried about driveshaft length and would be happy to convert to 4wd if that worked out... not sure I # really want that much project. # # Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to replace the power window motor in the '89 xj and find out if I lost # another glow plug in my '91 300D. The '00 WJ will be ready next week I guess... # # thanx all, # john # # safe to resume popcorn... # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] options/popcorn the TDI is gone... oh well... the jury is still out on the Ranger transmission options... NOT looking good... I could risk it, but there are enough other issues that make me pause. just money... windshield, throttle return spring... an oil leak, but all those are not show stoppers... but having to send out a search party to find 4th gear... that's a bit much... Sunday I look at an 1984 toyota "2.4d diesel. 194,000 mi. 5 speed, long bed,power steering, no ac. Truck runs great, about 35 mpg. Has some rust, could use a paint job. " and of course the '00 WJ will be done next week... and I'm almost done with the '89 XJ... tomorrow going to replace the window motor and possibly install a stereo system in it. just wish I knew if curtis was going to be able to finish the J10... and when... if the toyota doesn't drive out nicely there is still the clean looking izusu... if they guy will ever answer his phone. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] glow plugs '91 300D 2.5L TD the glow plug light is still coming on... but it's cycling normally, however it's still a little rough starting... could be some air in the line... anyway, just metered all the plugs... they're all good and within a few ohms of each other... ...guess that means the glow plug controller??? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3213 **********************************