From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sun Jan 10 12:57:53 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, January 10 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3217 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel RE: [db] '97 E300 Diesel [db] the '87 300TD Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel - '95 E300(124) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel thanx Paul. good info. it's a nice looking car, but I am not lookong for a project. :) wonder what the climate control parts cost. oh, btw Mike, the ac on my 91 does the same thing, will hold a charge for weeks or months, then exhale... replaced the compressor and still random. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Paul Masterson wrote: # John, # I have been seriously considering an upgrade to # the w210, and have asked five or six of my # customers who run european shops for their # opinions.(I run a parts store) They all agree that # there is alot of electronics on the car, but that # they are not basket cases by any means. I am # planning to get one, probably an E320, although I # figured it will only be a couple hundred dollars a # year in fuel cost to get an 8cyl. # # # Paul # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce # Caruthers" # To: # Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:55 AM # Subject: Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel # # # > Go ask the mechanics at the dealership what kind # > of problems they've # > seen with that model. That's how we learned to # > avoid the "liftback" # > C230 coupe/hatchback that Brooke was eyeing a # > few years back when we # > thought her Celica was on life support. # > # > -bkc # > Lynnwood, WA # > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > # > # > On Sun Jan 10, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > > it's beginning to look that way. ;) # > > # > > I searched on line for comments... the gas # > > models were soundly bad mouthed, # > > but the Diesel comments were far less # > > negative... think I found two or three # > > that griped about the electrics... but it was # > > hard to tell as they didn't # > > list the year or the model on the comments... # > > not very accurate, scientific # > > or useful... people generally aren't very # > > technically saavy to begin with # > > and then when you remove critical data like # > > year, model, region, options # > > and such it really doesn't do much good. # > > # > > from what I can tell the engine/trans should # > > be ok... I will fear the climate # > > control system... but not so much. :) # > > # > > probably going over to look at it and test # > > drive it tomorrow... have had # > > shadowfax for what? five, six years now? # > > still doing very well... there # > > are a couple nice features on the newer one... # > > mainly the sunroof and interior # > > lighting and the seats... we'll see how the # > > test drive goes. # > > # > > john # > > # > > # > > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > > # > > # I'm here. But I don't know anything about # > > # that model, other than # > > # that I really like its styling (and did when # > > # it first came out). # > > # You can be the guinea pig for it so I know # > > # whether to consider a # > > # similar model in years to come. :) # > > # # > > # -bkc # > > # Lynnwood, WA # > > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo # > > # [W124.128/602.962] # > > # # > > # # > > # On Sun Jan 10, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > # > > # > anybody out there? :) # > > # > # > > # > ok, so it's like 3am on the east coast... # > > # > :) # > > # > # > > # > john # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, john wrote: # > > # > # > > #> # looks like the n/a 3.0L Diesel used in # > > #the '97 was used in the last # > > of the 124s... # > > # > # the earlier I-6 was a different model. # > > What's funny is all of my reference material # > > # > # only goes up to about '95... so I'm # > > flying blind here and counting on the # > > collective... # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # Model Year Chassis # Engine # # > > # > # E300D 1995 124.13 606.91 # > > # > # E300D 1996-97 210.02 606.91 # > > # > # # > > # > # 300D Turbo 1987 124.13 603.96 # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # Any alarm bells going off at this point? # > > # > # Kevin? Mike? Richard? # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > #IS THERE ANY REASON TO WORRY ABOUT THE # > > # > #ENGINE OR TRANS ON A 1997 # > > E300 Diesel? # > > # > # # > > # > #this thing does come with dual zone # > > # > #climate control... that's # > > probably the only # > > # > # high risk thing I can find on this # > > # > # thing... # > > # > # # > > # > # What brings this all on is... # > > # > # my wife just saw the pictures of this # > > # > # '97 on CL and like me likes # > > it. # > > # > # # > > # > # We haven't driven it yet... 154,000 # > > # > # miles, one previous WA state # > > # > # owner who was a real estate agent... the # > > # > # car is spotless under the # > > # > # hood and there are no real signs of any # > > # > # aggressive detailing... no # > > # > # indications of degreaser or even a hose # > > # > # out... I can see original # > > # > # road dust under the hood and in the door # > > # > # jambs. # > > # > # # > > # > #Absolutely no rust anywhere, but that # > > # > #goes without saying. I LOVE # > > THE PNW!!! # > > # > # # > > # > # Here's pictures of the '97: # > > # > # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/E300-97/ # > > # > # # > > # > # Vehicle Options # > > # > # Home Link, Auto Climate Control, Dual # > > # > # Zone Climate Control, # > > Tachometer, Leather/Leatherette, Cup Holder, # > > Fog/Driving Lamps, Rear Defroster, Tinted # > > Glass, Sunroof, Anti-lock Brakes, Alloy # > > Wheels, Power Driver's Seat, Power Door Locks, # > > Power Windows, Power Passenger Seat, Power # > > Mirrors, Center Armrest, Rear Shoulder # > > Harness, Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel, # > > Satellite Radio, Interior Wood Trim, Console, # > > CD Player, Tilt Steering Wheel, AM/FM Radio, # > > Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, # > > # > # Diesel, Loaded mint condition! Will not # > > find one nicer! These Mercedes Diesels are # > > known to go 300k + easy! And this only has # > > 164k no dissapointments 35+ mpg!AMG wheels # > > very very nice # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > #I checked book value on Shadowfax, he's # > > # > #worth around $4k at this # > > point. # > > # > # Saw another 300D 2.5 on CL for about # > > that much. I've also got the '89 Cherokee # > > Limited # > > # > # and the '00 WJ to sell... so we should # > > be fine... if we like it I don't see any # > > # > # reason why I shouldn't go to the credit # > > union on Monday... unless the collective # > > # > # has good reasons for us to avoid this # > > # > # one... # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport/1991_Mercedes-Benz_300D_11041_Retail_Excellent.aspx?SelectionHistory=11041|32230|98208|0|0|&Mileage=260000&PriceTypePath=Retail # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > #What's interesting to note is that the # > > # > #mpg rating on the '97 says # > > 23/30, # > > # > # but others have reported higher... then # > > I looked at KBB and it says mine # > > # > # is rated at 23/30 and I get 30 in town # > > and as much as 39 on the freeway. # > > # > # # > > # > #Noticed that the '97 has the same style # > > # > #high pressure pump that my # > > 2.5 does. # > > # > # # > > # > # I didn't see any elaborate sensors going # > > # > # to the engine... # > > # > # # > > # > #Wasn't really looking for a new Diesel # > > # > #Benz, ours is doing quite # > > well. I mean # > > # > # one glow plug in what? 4 years? that's # > > a high maintenance vehicle that I better # > > # > # get rid of. ;) My benz is 19 years # > > old... the heated seats still work.. # > > # > # # > > # > #The only issues with the car are the a/c # > > # > #systems leaks down in a # > > few weeks to # > > # > # a month... easily charged back up with a # > > can of r134. The traction control computer # > > # > # departed years ago, but all the better # > > it only caused problems when it engaged # > > anyway. # > > # > # Otherwise it's doing splendidly... I # > > think we should keep it and get the newer # > > one... # > > # > # but my wife keeps reeling me back into # > > reality. :) I'd rather get rid of the WJ # > > # > # and have two Benz and keep an old Jeep # > > around for hauling WVO and the trailer and # > > # > # for those very rare snow days. # > > # > # # > > # > #keep the popcorn fresh... going to look # > > # > #at that Toyota Diesel # > > tomorrow too... # > > # > # even though Curtis claims he's going to # > > be able to get Superdawg back together. :) # > > # > # # > > # > #I can see us with SuperDawg, the '97 Benz # > > # > #and the '99 WJ... doesn't # > > seem outlandish # > > # > # or anything... I wouldn't mind keeping # > > the white '89 XJ too, taking a liking to it. # > > # > # In fact I think the Toyota may be # > > avoided because the XJ will be a better ride. # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # heading out to put the window motor in # > > # > # the '89 XJ now... :) # > > # > # # > > # > # john # > > # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] '97 E300 Diesel need to check on the transmissions too. found a '98 with over 300k on it with a bad trans... cheap... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: # # # # # # # Just sent a post to the R-E list asking the question. Hopefully Stu or an ex shop owner (George Curtis) from central California will chime in. There is a tremendous amount of collected MB experience between those two. # # //steve # # > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:45:10 -0800 # > From: john@wagoneers.com # > To: smorelen@hotmail.com # > Subject: RE: [db] '97 E300 Diesel # > # > yes please, and pass a warm hello to Stu # > for me, I fell off there list a long time ago, # > it waa more of a gas list. :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: # > # > # # > # # > # I also subscribe to the Ritter-Easley MB list. Would you like for me to ask that group if there any things to look out for in the 97 diesel? # > # # > # //steve # > # # > # # > # > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:18:53 -0800 # > # > From: john@wagoneers.com # > # > To: diesel-benz@digest.net # > # > Subject: [db] '97 E300 Diesel # > # > # > # > looks like the n/a 3.0L Diesel used in the '97 was used in the last of the 124s... # > # > the earlier I-6 was a different model. What's funny is all of my reference material # > # > only goes up to about '95... so I'm flying blind here and counting on the collective... # > # > # > # > # > # > Model Year Chassis # Engine # # > # > E300D 1995 124.13 606.91 # > # > E300D 1996-97 210.02 606.91 # > # > # > # > 300D Turbo 1987 124.13 603.96 # > # > # > # > # > # > Any alarm bells going off at this point? Kevin? Mike? Richard? # > # > # > # > # > # > IS THERE ANY REASON TO WORRY ABOUT THE ENGINE OR TRANS ON A 1997 E300 Diesel? # > # > # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:09:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] the '87 300TD looks like that '87 300TD I was looking at for 3k was bought and flipped... http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1543122788.html this is the one with rust issues... seat issues... body issues... the guy was willing to sell it to me for 2k, so he probably got less than 3k for it... the guy reposting this didn't change the plates, just removed the biodiesel sticker... :) He may have cleaned it up a bit too... but hard to tell from the pictures. I'm sure it was a good car mechanically. Hope it finds a good home, wasn't really a good WVO hauler... and it wasn't a resto candidate either. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel - '95 E300(124) I think I'm going to try and look at the '95 E300... last of the 124's... same engine as the '97, right? the guy is having trans issues... flares btwn 2nd-3rd... looks good... or ok in the small picture he sent... why is it that folks on CL expect you to see the vehicle in thumbnails, don't answer their phones or emails???? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Paul Masterson wrote: # John, # I have been seriously considering an upgrade to the w210, and have asked # five or six of my customers who run european shops for their opinions.(I run # a parts store) They all agree that there is alot of electronics on the car, # but that they are not basket cases by any means. I am planning to get one, # probably an E320, although I figured it will only be a couple hundred dollars # a year in fuel cost to get an 8cyl. # # # Paul # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Caruthers" # # To: # Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:55 AM # Subject: Re: [db] '97 E300 Diesel # # # > Go ask the mechanics at the dealership what kind of problems they've # > seen with that model. That's how we learned to avoid the "liftback" # > C230 coupe/hatchback that Brooke was eyeing a few years back when we # > thought her Celica was on life support. # > # > -bkc # > Lynnwood, WA # > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > # > # > On Sun Jan 10, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > > it's beginning to look that way. ;) # > > # > > I searched on line for comments... the gas models were soundly bad # > > mouthed, # > > but the Diesel comments were far less negative... think I found two or # > > three # > > that griped about the electrics... but it was hard to tell as they # > > didn't # > > list the year or the model on the comments... not very accurate, # > > scientific # > > or useful... people generally aren't very technically saavy to begin with # > > and then when you remove critical data like year, model, region, options # > > and such it really doesn't do much good. # > > # > > from what I can tell the engine/trans should be ok... I will fear the # > > climate # > > control system... but not so much. :) # > > # > > probably going over to look at it and test drive it tomorrow... have had # > > shadowfax for what? five, six years now? still doing very well... there # > > are a couple nice features on the newer one... mainly the sunroof and # > > interior # > > lighting and the seats... we'll see how the test drive goes. # > > # > > john # > > # > > # > > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > > # > > # I'm here. But I don't know anything about that model, other than # > > # that I really like its styling (and did when it first came out). # > > # You can be the guinea pig for it so I know whether to consider a # > > # similar model in years to come. :) # > > # # > > # -bkc # > > # Lynnwood, WA # > > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > > # # > > # # > > # On Sun Jan 10, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > # > > # > anybody out there? :) # > > # > # > > # > ok, so it's like 3am on the east coast... :) # > > # > # > > # > john # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, john wrote: # > > # > # > > # > # looks like the n/a 3.0L Diesel used in the '97 was used in the last # > > of the 124s... # > > # > # the earlier I-6 was a different model. What's funny is all of my # > > reference material # > > # > # only goes up to about '95... so I'm flying blind here and counting # > > on the collective... # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # Model Year Chassis # Engine # # > > # > # E300D 1995 124.13 606.91 # > > # > # E300D 1996-97 210.02 606.91 # > > # > # # > > # > # 300D Turbo 1987 124.13 603.96 # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # Any alarm bells going off at this point? Kevin? Mike? Richard? # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # IS THERE ANY REASON TO WORRY ABOUT THE ENGINE OR TRANS ON A 1997 # > > E300 Diesel? # > > # > # # > > # > # this thing does come with dual zone climate control... that's # > > probably the only # > > # > # high risk thing I can find on this thing... # > > # > # # > > # > # What brings this all on is... # > > # > # my wife just saw the pictures of this '97 on CL and like me likes # > > it. # > > # > # # > > # > # We haven't driven it yet... 154,000 miles, one previous WA state # > > # > # owner who was a real estate agent... the car is spotless under the # > > # > # hood and there are no real signs of any aggressive detailing... no # > > # > # indications of degreaser or even a hose out... I can see original # > > # > # road dust under the hood and in the door jambs. # > > # > # # > > # > # Absolutely no rust anywhere, but that goes without saying. I LOVE # > > THE PNW!!! # > > # > # # > > # > # Here's pictures of the '97: # > > # > # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/E300-97/ # > > # > # # > > # > # Vehicle Options # > > # > # Home Link, Auto Climate Control, Dual Zone Climate Control, # > > Tachometer, Leather/Leatherette, Cup Holder, Fog/Driving Lamps, Rear # > > Defroster, Tinted Glass, Sunroof, Anti-lock Brakes, Alloy Wheels, Power # > > Driver's Seat, Power Door Locks, Power Windows, Power Passenger Seat, # > > Power Mirrors, Center Armrest, Rear Shoulder Harness, Leather Wrapped # > > Steering Wheel, Satellite Radio, Interior Wood Trim, Console, CD Player, # > > Tilt Steering Wheel, AM/FM Radio, Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, # > > # > # Diesel, Loaded mint condition! Will not find one nicer! These # > > Mercedes Diesels are known to go 300k + easy! And this only has 164k no # > > dissapointments 35+ mpg!AMG wheels very very nice # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # I checked book value on Shadowfax, he's worth around $4k at this # > > point. # > > # > # Saw another 300D 2.5 on CL for about that much. I've also got the # > > '89 Cherokee Limited # > > # > # and the '00 WJ to sell... so we should be fine... if we like it I # > > don't see any # > > # > # reason why I shouldn't go to the credit union on Monday... unless # > > the collective # > > # > # has good reasons for us to avoid this one... # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport/1991_Mercedes-Benz_300D_11041_Retail_Excellent.aspx?SelectionHistory=11041|32230|98208|0|0|&Mileage=260000&PriceTypePath=Retail # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # What's interesting to note is that the mpg rating on the '97 says # > > 23/30, # > > # > # but others have reported higher... then I looked at KBB and it says # > > mine # > > # > # is rated at 23/30 and I get 30 in town and as much as 39 on the # > > freeway. # > > # > # # > > # > # Noticed that the '97 has the same style high pressure pump that my # > > 2.5 does. # > > # > # # > > # > # I didn't see any elaborate sensors going to the engine... # > > # > # # > > # > # Wasn't really looking for a new Diesel Benz, ours is doing quite # > > well. I mean # > > # > # one glow plug in what? 4 years? that's a high maintenance vehicle # > > that I better # > > # > # get rid of. ;) My benz is 19 years old... the heated seats still # > > work.. # > > # > # # > > # > # The only issues with the car are the a/c systems leaks down in a # > > few weeks to # > > # > # a month... easily charged back up with a can of r134. The traction # > > control computer # > > # > # departed years ago, but all the better it only caused problems when # > > it engaged anyway. # > > # > # Otherwise it's doing splendidly... I think we should keep it and # > > get the newer one... # > > # > # but my wife keeps reeling me back into reality. :) I'd rather get # > > rid of the WJ # > > # > # and have two Benz and keep an old Jeep around for hauling WVO and # > > the trailer and # > > # > # for those very rare snow days. # > > # > # # > > # > # keep the popcorn fresh... going to look at that Toyota Diesel # > > tomorrow too... # > > # > # even though Curtis claims he's going to be able to get Superdawg # > > back together. :) # > > # > # # > > # > # I can see us with SuperDawg, the '97 Benz and the '99 WJ... doesn't # > > seem outlandish # > > # > # or anything... I wouldn't mind keeping the white '89 XJ too, # > > taking a liking to it. # > > # > # In fact I think the Toyota may be avoided because the XJ will be a # > > better ride. # > > # > # # > > # > # # > > # > # heading out to put the window motor in the '89 XJ now... :) # > > # > # # > > # > # john # > > # > # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3217 **********************************