From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Jan 12 11:00:11 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, January 12 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3222 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] popcorn summary report Re: [db] popcorn summary report RE: [db] popcorn summary report Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:05:00 -0600 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: RE: [db] popcorn summary report Ya'll come on down to Texas. We need some more good folks to help us take on the Feds when the time comes. We got plenty of room, and we make our own oil and gas. We also got good barbeque, Shiner Bock, and Blue Bell Ice Cream. Our legislature meets only once every two years, so they can't screw too much up in that short time. We only keep them around for amusement. Thomas E. Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:44 AM To: diesel-benz@digest.net Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report Yup, Socialist Republic of Wisconsin isn't any better. We need to move to a red state ;) Hey! We can both move and create a super-monster garage!! ;) Jim - --- On Tue, 1/12/10, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report > To: "Bruce Caruthers" > Cc: ABCvoice@worldnet.att.net, "brian ohara" , "Mac" , "David Ashby" , "grhubert" , "greg weigand" , "Ronald Fuka" , "Kevin Pekarek" , "Mark Camper" , "Michael Lacher" , "lasikeyes" , "Wes Molsberry" , "diesel-benz list" > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:39 AM > simple. > > my beautiful bride is experiencing both knee and back > troubles... > so we need one level... and no yard... I have tried to tell > her > that we can go "natural"... the house existed where we are > with > NO gardens and just a field on that hillside for 10 years > before > we got there... a nice new modular home > and a pole barn on a > small patch of ground on the edge of civilization should > work > just fine... > > finding a one level townhome with at least a two car garage > and a view > will allow me to tinker a bit... plan on keeping the Grand > Cherokee, > or replacing it with a Diesel version... and my J10... > > by getting into a place with out land we should be able to > use our > equity to get it... and possibly might have lower property > taxes... > but if the current batch of elected folks keep spending and > taxing I'm > not so sure that even that will be affordable... we > either need > a version of Prop 13 here, or we need to move to another > part > of the country that isn't quite as oppressive tax-wise... > someplace > were tax and spend liberals are not in power... not sure if > such a > place exists... :( We have a senior "deferral" > program for property > taxes where taxes are reduced... until you sell or transfer > the > property... which means my kids would end up paying a LOT > of back > taxes or losing value on any inheritance they might > realize. > > my uncle lives down in California... his house is worth > about the > same as ours... he has owned it since the '60s... > because of prop 13 > he pays about $700 a year. My taxes keep going up, > been here for > almost 15 years and they are around $4,000 a year and > climbing... and > will continue to do so... when we bought the place they > were about > $1200 a year. If we had a prop 13 here that would be > what I would > pay until we sold or transferred the property. That > seems very fair > to me, most people don't stay in a place very long so when > they move > they can budget to that level and the state doesn't suffer > because > the taxes are level set at each move. > > oh well... same thing with our license plates... supposed > to be $30/yr, > just renewed the '91 300d and it was $48. ;) > which is a vast improvement > over what they were before... in '97, before Tim Eyeman's > $30 tab initiative > we were paying nearly $800 a YEAR for tabs on a five year > old car... a friend > of mine had a new Range Rover, he was paying nearly $4k/yr > for tabs... same > thing was true with motorhomes... it was based on the value > of the vehicle > so folks would be paying thousands a year... what they'd do > is get a temporary > tag for two weeks to use it while on vacation... :) > or they'd register it > in Oregon where the tabs are $20/yr... and risk a big > ticket if they got > caught in this state with it... even CA was less > expensive. > > thankfully we don't have an income tax... yet... it's > inevitable... they > need more revenue to run all the social programs they want > to implement... > sales tax is nearly 10%... of course Boeing and > Microsoft have moved > their headquarters out of this state to avoid the B&O, > capital assett > and other corporate taxes that don't make the news... we're > facing a $2.6B > shortfall, thankfully our constitution prohibits debt so > they have to > balance the budget some how... they're talking about > adding tax to > candy bars, and even more taxes to cigarettes and > liquor... not much > talk about cutting programs... I believe that over 50% of > the workforce > in this state is employed in some form of government... > > oh well, enough of the lamentations from the soap box... > love it here, > but not sure we can afford to live or retire here... what > drives me > crazy is we could buy four houses in houston that are 3 > times the > size of ours for what our little 1200 sqft place is worth > here... :) the > thought of living in a hot muggy location is not > appealing... or > living in some frigid location... moving isn't desireable > because our kids > are here... > > speaking of knees, anyone know of any good doctors in the > Everett area? > > john > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # John wrote: > # "we're likely moving into a condo/townhouse in the next > few years > # and won't need a trailer for the garden work any > more..." > # > # > # What?!? > # > # How on earth will you survive without your carport and > project space? > # I can't imagine any condo/townhouse places allowing the > kind of > # vehicle work you would want to do! > # > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report some place with mountains... and a mild climate... and vast quantities of like minded Diesel and Jeep owners... paved roads... what a waste of money... :) buses? what for? ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Yup, Socialist Republic of Wisconsin isn't any better. # # We need to move to a # red state ;) # # Hey! We can both move and create a super-monster garage!! # # ;) # Jim # # --- On Tue, 1/12/10, john wrote: # # > From: john # # > Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report # > To: "Bruce # Caruthers" # > Cc: ABCvoice@worldnet.att.net, # "brian ohara" , "Mac" , "David Ashby" # , "grhubert" , "greg weigand" # , "Ronald Fuka" , "Kevin Pekarek" # , "Mark Camper" , "Michael # Lacher" , "lasikeyes" , "Wes # Molsberry" , "diesel-benz list" # # > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:39 AM # > simple. # > # > my beautiful bride is experiencing both knee and back # > troubles... # > so # we need one level... and no yard... I have tried to tell # > her # > that we can # go "natural"... the house existed where we are # > with # > NO gardens and just a # field on that hillside for 10 years # > before # > we got there... a nice new # modular home # > and a pole barn on a # > small patch of ground on the edge of # civilization should # > work # > just fine... # > # > finding a one level townhome # with at least a two car garage # > and a view # > will allow me to tinker a bit... # plan on keeping the Grand # > Cherokee, # > or replacing it with a Diesel # version... and my J10... # > # > by getting into a place with out land we should # be able to # > use our # > equity to get it... and possibly might have lower # property # > taxes... # > but if the current batch of elected folks keep spending # and # > taxing I'm # > not so sure that even that will be affordable... we # > # either need # > a version of Prop 13 here, or we need to move to another # > part # > of the country that isn't quite as oppressive tax-wise... # > someplace # > were # tax and spend liberals are not in power... not sure if # > such a # > place # exists... :( We have a senior "deferral" # > program for property # > taxes where # taxes are reduced... until you sell or transfer # > the # > property... which # means my kids would end up paying a LOT # > of back # > taxes or losing value on # any inheritance they might # > realize. # > # > my uncle lives down in # California... his house is worth # > about the # > same as ours... he has owned # it since the '60s... # > because of prop 13 # > he pays about $700 a year. My # taxes keep going up, # > been here for # > almost 15 years and they are around # $4,000 a year and # > climbing... and # > will continue to do so... when we bought # the place they # > were about # > $1200 a year. If we had a prop 13 here that # would be # > what I would # > pay until we sold or transferred the property. That # > seems very fair # > to me, most people don't stay in a place very long so when # > they move # > they can budget to that level and the state doesn't suffer # > # because # > the taxes are level set at each move. # > # > oh well... same thing # with our license plates... supposed # > to be $30/yr, # > just renewed the '91 # 300d and it was $48. ;) # > which is a vast improvement # > over what they were # before... in '97, before Tim Eyeman's # > $30 tab initiative # > we were paying # nearly $800 a YEAR for tabs on a five year # > old car... a friend # > of mine had # a new Range Rover, he was paying nearly $4k/yr # > for tabs... same # > thing was # true with motorhomes... it was based on the value # > of the vehicle # > so folks # would be paying thousands a year... what they'd do # > is get a temporary # > tag # for two weeks to use it while on vacation... :) # > or they'd register it # > in # Oregon where the tabs are $20/yr... and risk a big # > ticket if they got # > # caught in this state with it... even CA was less # > expensive. # > # > thankfully # we don't have an income tax... yet... it's # > inevitable... they # > need more # revenue to run all the social programs they want # > to implement... # > sales tax # is nearly 10%... of course Boeing and # > Microsoft have moved # > their # headquarters out of this state to avoid the B&O, # > capital assett # > and other # corporate taxes that don't make the news... we're # > facing a $2.6B # > # shortfall, thankfully our constitution prohibits debt so # > they have to # > # balance the budget some how... they're talking about # > adding tax to # > candy # bars, and even more taxes to cigarettes and # > liquor... not much # > talk about # cutting programs... I believe that over 50% of # > the workforce # > in this state # is employed in some form of government... # > # > oh well, enough of the # lamentations from the soap box... # > love it here, # > but not sure we can afford # to live or retire here... what # > drives me # > crazy is we could buy four houses # in houston that are 3 # > times the # > size of ours for what our little 1200 sqft # place is worth # > here... :) the # > thought of living in a hot muggy location # is not # > appealing... or # > living in some frigid location... moving isn't # desireable # > because our kids # > are here... # > # > speaking of knees, anyone # know of any good doctors in the # > Everett area? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > si vis pacem, para bellum # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > # > # John wrote: # > # "we're # likely moving into a condo/townhouse in the next # > few years # > # and won't # need a trailer for the garden work any # > more..." # > # # > # # > # What?!? # > # # # > # How on earth will you survive without your carport and # > project # space? # > # I can't imagine any condo/townhouse places allowing the # > kind of # > # vehicle work you would want to do! # > # # > # -bkc # > # Lynnwood, WA # > # # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > # # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] popcorn summary report you know, that is a very good possibility... have several friends in houston, austin and san antonio... san antonio seems like a better option as it's a little further inland and perhaps a wee bit less humid than the other two locations... also I have the possibility of transferring there if the right job should come up... housing prices are remarkably affordable down there... one of my friends moved down to houston... he has a house 4x's larger than the one he had up here at 1/4 the cost!!! only problem I have is it's pretty dang flat down there... if I did move down there I'd want to learn spanish first... my brother in law is from venezuela... he's a really nice guy, been learning a little spanish from him but I'm going to need a lot of help... :) I don't know... no mountains, a boring "ocean"... hot weather... hurricanes... bugs... snakes... gators... humidity... scrubby vegetation... we have good bbq here too... a few transplanted folks from your area. ;) my wife would like being near her sister and I do like the political climate down there more... and lower costs of living... but I don't do heat well... hey, it's worth considering... texas is a big place and some parts of west texas are downright beautiful... If my daughter and her husband would move there... but then my son might not... you know, we don't live forever... I've got another what, maybe 15 to 30 years? guess I could just tough it out up here. ;) You know I listened to my mother in law before she passed... she was 78, she was in pretty good health overall, but she said she was tired... she was ready to go home... I guess I'm starting to understand what she was saying now... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Potter, Tom E wrote: # Ya'll come on down to Texas. We need some more good folks to help us # take on the Feds when the time comes. We got plenty of room, and we make # our own oil and gas. We also got good barbeque, Shiner Bock, and Blue # Bell Ice Cream. Our legislature meets only once every two years, so they # can't screw too much up in that short time. We only keep them around for # amusement. # # Thomas E. Potter # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman # Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:44 AM # To: diesel-benz@digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report # # Yup, Socialist Republic of Wisconsin isn't any better. # # We need to move to a # red state ;) # # Hey! We can both move and create a super-monster garage!! # # ;) # Jim # # --- On Tue, 1/12/10, john wrote: # # > From: john # # > Subject: Re: [db] popcorn summary report # > To: "Bruce # Caruthers" # > Cc: ABCvoice@worldnet.att.net, # "brian ohara" , "Mac" , "David # Ashby" # , "grhubert" , "greg # weigand" # , "Ronald Fuka" , "Kevin # Pekarek" # , "Mark Camper" , "Michael # Lacher" , "lasikeyes" , "Wes # Molsberry" , "diesel-benz list" # # > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:39 AM # > simple. # > # > my beautiful bride is experiencing both knee and back # > troubles... # > so # we need one level... and no yard... I have tried to tell # > her # > that we can # go "natural"... the house existed where we are # > with # > NO gardens and just a # field on that hillside for 10 years # > before # > we got there... a nice new # modular home # > and a pole barn on a # > small patch of ground on the edge of # civilization should # > work # > just fine... # > # > finding a one level townhome # with at least a two car garage # > and a view # > will allow me to tinker a bit... # plan on keeping the Grand # > Cherokee, # > or replacing it with a Diesel # version... and my J10... # > # > by getting into a place with out land we should # be able to # > use our # > equity to get it... and possibly might have lower # property # > taxes... # > but if the current batch of elected folks keep spending # and # > taxing I'm # > not so sure that even that will be affordable... we # > # either need # > a version of Prop 13 here, or we need to move to another # > part # > of the country that isn't quite as oppressive tax-wise... # > someplace # > were # tax and spend liberals are not in power... not sure if # > such a # > place # exists... :( We have a senior "deferral" # > program for property # > taxes where # taxes are reduced... until you sell or transfer # > the # > property... which # means my kids would end up paying a LOT # > of back # > taxes or losing value on # any inheritance they might # > realize. # > # > my uncle lives down in # California... his house is worth # > about the # > same as ours... he has owned # it since the '60s... # > because of prop 13 # > he pays about $700 a year. My # taxes keep going up, # > been here for # > almost 15 years and they are around # $4,000 a year and # > climbing... and # > will continue to do so... when we bought # the place they # > were about # > $1200 a year. If we had a prop 13 here that # would be # > what I would # > pay until we sold or transferred the property. That # > seems very fair # > to me, most people don't stay in a place very long so when # > they move # > they can budget to that level and the state doesn't suffer # > # because # > the taxes are level set at each move. # > # > oh well... same thing # with our license plates... supposed # > to be $30/yr, # > just renewed the '91 # 300d and it was $48. ;) # > which is a vast improvement # > over what they were # before... in '97, before Tim Eyeman's # > $30 tab initiative # > we were paying # nearly $800 a YEAR for tabs on a five year # > old car... a friend # > of mine had # a new Range Rover, he was paying nearly $4k/yr # > for tabs... same # > thing was # true with motorhomes... it was based on the value # > of the vehicle # > so folks # would be paying thousands a year... what they'd do # > is get a temporary # > tag # for two weeks to use it while on vacation... :) # > or they'd register it # > in # Oregon where the tabs are $20/yr... and risk a big # > ticket if they got # > # caught in this state with it... even CA was less # > expensive. # > # > thankfully # we don't have an income tax... yet... it's # > inevitable... they # > need more # revenue to run all the social programs they want # > to implement... # > sales tax # is nearly 10%... of course Boeing and # > Microsoft have moved # > their # headquarters out of this state to avoid the B&O, # > capital assett # > and other # corporate taxes that don't make the news... we're # > facing a $2.6B # > # shortfall, thankfully our constitution prohibits debt so # > they have to # > # balance the budget some how... they're talking about # > adding tax to # > candy # bars, and even more taxes to cigarettes and # > liquor... not much # > talk about # cutting programs... I believe that over 50% of # > the workforce # > in this state # is employed in some form of government... # > # > oh well, enough of the # lamentations from the soap box... # > love it here, # > but not sure we can afford # to live or retire here... what # > drives me # > crazy is we could buy four houses # in houston that are 3 # > times the # > size of ours for what our little 1200 sqft # place is worth # > here... :) the # > thought of living in a hot muggy location # is not # > appealing... or # > living in some frigid location... moving isn't # desireable # > because our kids # > are here... # > # > speaking of knees, anyone # know of any good doctors in the # > Everett area? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > si vis pacem, para bellum # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > # > # John wrote: # > # "we're # likely moving into a condo/townhouse in the next # > few years # > # and won't # need a trailer for the garden work any # > more..." # > # # > # # > # What?!? # > # # # > # How on earth will you survive without your carport and # > project # space? # > # I can't imagine any condo/townhouse places allowing the # > kind of # > # vehicle work you would want to do! # > # # > # -bkc # > # Lynnwood, WA # > # # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > # # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3222 **********************************