From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Wed Apr 14 22:50:12 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, April 15 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3272 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 300D starter Re: [db] 300D starter Re: [db] 300D starter RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] 300D starter > Jebus! Hope I never have to do that job, even with a lift it looks like a > bear and a half. Amazed it came out and went back in through that space. > Now if one knew exactly where to drill, a hole saw with a short bit would > do the trick and make it an easy plug closure.... *** I was thinking the same thing. If I had to do this job ( Hope I never have to! ), I would start by drilling little "tryit" holes and sticking stiff wires through the holes. Then check underneath and see where they come out. Could probably zero in on it pretty quick, then use the hole saw. Seeing that both of my cars are parked at far away airports, I'm thinking that for something like this, I'd just hire a shop. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D starter he measured exactly... guess the benefits of working on an engineering degree. to get it back in I had him lift the front corner of the car and I wiggled the starter back in... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, ejpomeroy@qtm.net wrote: # Jebus! Hope I never have to do that job, even with a lift it looks like a # bear and a half. Amazed it came out and went back in through that space. # Now if one knew exactly where to drill, a hole saw with a short bit would # do the trick and make it an easy plug closure.... Did you make any # templates that you can sell showing paste this here, drill 1" holes here # and here? Profit motive runs in the Meisters I'm sure... # # Edward # # > 3 men, 3 days... # > # > actually, a sawzall wasn't used to make the access... it was a dremel # > tool... # > # > starter reinstalled and working perfectly, pictures not in order. # > # > # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/123-series/300D-1985-starter/ALL.html # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D starter well, we can measure down from the dash and let you know... he and his friend measured the distance and were right on the money. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > Jebus! Hope I never have to do that job, even with a lift it looks like a # > bear and a half. Amazed it came out and went back in through that space. # > Now if one knew exactly where to drill, a hole saw with a short bit would # > do the trick and make it an easy plug closure.... # # *** I was thinking the same thing. If I had to do this job ( Hope I never # have to! ), I would start by drilling little "tryit" holes and sticking # stiff wires through the holes. Then check underneath and see where they # come out. Could probably zero in on it pretty quick, then use the hole # saw. # # Seeing that both of my cars are parked at far away airports, I'm # thinking that for something like this, I'd just hire a shop. # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:18:30 -0700 From: "Greg Fiorentino" Subject: RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem Socket Head Cap Screw in Machinist-speak. Sorry, I thought that was one of your languages. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:28 PM To: Greg Fiorentino Cc: 'Benz List' Subject: RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem what is SHCS??? the starter was in really, really bad shape... heading over to get a replacement. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # Next time try the reeeaally long Taiwanese breaker bar from HF. It will # reach the SHCS from the top and has enough mechanical advantage to loosen. # It's better than a cheater. # # Greg # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On # Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:18 AM # To: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; xj-list; Colucci B; brian ohara; # Mac; David Ashby; grhubert; greg weigand; Ronald Fuka; Kevin Pekarek; Mark # Camper; Michael Lacher; lasikeyes; Wes Molsberry # Subject: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem # # well, it's been a while, but my son has resorted to the use of cutting # tools, this # time with a bit more finesse, and actual approval by the electric shop... # # his '85 300D starter has failled... interestingly enough in MY carport when # he # was doing some wiring work... but I crawled underneath with the remote # starter # and confirmed that the solenoid wasn't engaging, and once the starter was # out, # that the starter was not working... # # ...anyway, as anyone who has done a starter on a Mercedes Diesel will # acknowledge # getting the bolts out on the back are, shall we say, challenging? I tried # to get the allen head socket on the bolt, but the ratchet handle I was using # wasn't # quite long enough, even with a small pipe (jack handle) for leverage, we # couldn't # keep the allen head in the bolt... my son didn't want to remove the # intake/turbo setup... # # ...so out came a power tool (didn't watch) and a hole was cut in the trans # tunnel # on the '85 300D... and within minutes, the starter was wiggled out through # the # steering plumbing... it's in the shop this morning... and when I told the # guy about how we # got it, he told me a story about a starter in a Jaguar... the owner, or # another # shop, had cut a section out of the tunnel or floorboard and made a nice, # sheet metal # mounted panel that could be removed... now I can see that on a Jag... ;) # # considering that I've owned many mercedes and yet to have a starter fail, I # think # I'll pass on this mod... # # we have taken some pictures, not sure how good they are... # # ...just wanted to let you know that my son has resorted to cutting tools # again... # be careful where you park when you visit... ;) # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem the way I learned it... hex head... :) but that's ok, I learned something. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # Socket Head Cap Screw in Machinist-speak. Sorry, I thought that was one of # your languages. # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On # Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:28 PM # To: Greg Fiorentino # Cc: 'Benz List' # Subject: RE: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem # # what is SHCS??? # # the starter was in really, really bad shape... heading over to get a # replacement. # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Greg Fiorentino wrote: # # # Next time try the reeeaally long Taiwanese breaker bar from HF. It will # # reach the SHCS from the top and has enough mechanical advantage to # loosen. # # It's better than a cheater. # # # # Greg # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # On # # Behalf Of john # # Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:18 AM # # To: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; xj-list; Colucci B; brian # ohara; # # Mac; David Ashby; grhubert; greg weigand; Ronald Fuka; Kevin Pekarek; # Mark # # Camper; Michael Lacher; lasikeyes; Wes Molsberry # # Subject: [db] sawzall crew solves mercedes starter problem # # # # well, it's been a while, but my son has resorted to the use of cutting # # tools, this # # time with a bit more finesse, and actual approval by the electric shop... # # # # his '85 300D starter has failled... interestingly enough in MY carport # when # # he # # was doing some wiring work... but I crawled underneath with the remote # # starter # # and confirmed that the solenoid wasn't engaging, and once the starter was # # out, # # that the starter was not working... # # # # ...anyway, as anyone who has done a starter on a Mercedes Diesel will # # acknowledge # # getting the bolts out on the back are, shall we say, challenging? I # tried # # to get the allen head socket on the bolt, but the ratchet handle I was # using # # wasn't # # quite long enough, even with a small pipe (jack handle) for leverage, we # # couldn't # # keep the allen head in the bolt... my son didn't want to remove the # # intake/turbo setup... # # # # ...so out came a power tool (didn't watch) and a hole was cut in the # trans # # tunnel # # on the '85 300D... and within minutes, the starter was wiggled out # through # # the # # steering plumbing... it's in the shop this morning... and when I told # the # # guy about how we # # got it, he told me a story about a starter in a Jaguar... the owner, or # # another # # shop, had cut a section out of the tunnel or floorboard and made a nice, # # sheet metal # # mounted panel that could be removed... now I can see that on a Jag... ;) # # # # considering that I've owned many mercedes and yet to have a starter fail, # I # # think # # I'll pass on this mod... # # # # we have taken some pictures, not sure how good they are... # # # # ...just wanted to let you know that my son has resorted to cutting tools # # again... # # be careful where you park when you visit... ;) # # # # # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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