From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat Jun 5 11:07:18 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, June 5 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3292 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] OT: HF metal saw Re: [db] OT: HF metal saw Re: [db] OT: HF metal saw [db] Re: I think you'll find this interesting.. Re: [db] W124 vacuum issue? Re: [db] W124 vacuum issue? RE: [db] W124 vacuum issue? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: [db] OT: HF metal saw Hi Guys, Yeah, this is totally off topic, but I know there is some interest in metalworking. I have to build a medium-size steel box to weld to a fence. I was going to just call a welder, but I figure it's a $500 project. I'm well set-up to stick steel together - with a Miller TIG welder. But cutting it has always been a pain. I have a 4-inch Makita angle grinder that can cut most anything, but it's slow. Ditto a sawzall. And a saber saw with a metal bit. Let's not even TALK about hacksaws. Harbor freight has a 7 inch circular saw that's specifically designed to cut metal. How long will it last? I don't trust them. But I figured if it makes it through this one project it'll have paid for itself. I snarfed one of those puppies off the shelf in Fresno the other day. It's a funny looking saw. It has a complete wrap-around plastic shield ( chromed to look like metal ). Yesterday I tried it out. Hot damn! Thing cuts through 1/8" mild steel plate like a hot knife through butter. But it's messy. It throws shards of hot metal everywhere. Ouch! I was wearing protective goggles, they weren't enough. I'll be using an old welding hood with the inner light filter removed. And long-sleeved coveralls. And gloves. And a cap to keep it out of my hair. And earplugs. And over-the-ear hearing protectors. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: Re: [db] OT: HF metal saw why is it off topic? after all there are a few of us that actually work on our cars from time to time... and cutting holes in them has become important, ask my son who just did a starter swap, or mike in NY who had to fix a "rust spot"... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # Hi Guys, # # Yeah, this is totally off topic, but I know there is some interest in # metalworking. # # I have to build a medium-size steel box to weld to a fence. I was going # to just call a welder, but I figure it's a $500 project. I'm well # set-up to stick steel together - with a Miller TIG welder. But cutting # it has always been a pain. I have a 4-inch Makita angle grinder that # can cut most anything, but it's slow. Ditto a sawzall. And a saber saw # with a metal bit. Let's not even TALK about hacksaws. # # Harbor freight has a 7 inch circular saw that's specifically designed # to cut metal. How long will it last? I don't trust them. But I # figured if it makes it through this one project it'll have paid for # itself. # # I snarfed one of those puppies off the shelf in Fresno the other day. # It's a funny looking saw. It has a complete wrap-around plastic shield # ( chromed to look like metal ). # # Yesterday I tried it out. Hot damn! Thing cuts through 1/8" mild # steel plate like a hot knife through butter. But it's messy. It # throws shards of hot metal everywhere. Ouch! I was wearing protective # goggles, they weren't enough. I'll be using an old welding hood with # the inner light filter removed. And long-sleeved coveralls. And # gloves. And a cap to keep it out of my hair. And earplugs. And # over-the-ear hearing protectors. # # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: Re: [db] OT: HF metal saw you know you can buy metal cutting and concrete cutting blades for any 7" skill saw... right? I've got a pile of the abrasive cutting blades, have used them to cut some serious metal... just used a masonary blade to cut some blocks for a retaining wall... they sell those blades separately... I have one from sears or home depot, that rascals tosses some HOT shards of metal all over the place... I used it to cut the 1/4" plate steel on the tub of the tug! WORKED GREAT. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > got the part number/link? # # http://www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/itemdisplay/displayItem.do?itemid=8897&CategoryName=&SubCategoryName= # # Part #8897. It does not appear in HF's new web site. I think it # might be going the way of the dodo bird. They had exactly one in Fresno, # and I grabbed it. # # I have no idea how long the blade lasts. # # - Jerry # # # # > # > I've rented gas powered chopsaws before ruined # > perfectly good glasses too... :) # > # > how long does the blade last? # > # > Jerry Kaidor wrote: # >> Hi Guys, # >> # >> Yeah, this is totally off topic, but I know there is some interest in # >> metalworking. # >> # >> I have to build a medium-size steel box to weld to a fence. I was # >> going # >> to just call a welder, but I figure it's a $500 project. I'm well # >> set-up to stick steel together - with a Miller TIG welder. But cutting # >> it has always been a pain. I have a 4-inch Makita angle grinder that # >> can cut most anything, but it's slow. Ditto a sawzall. And a saber saw # >> with a metal bit. Let's not even TALK about hacksaws. # >> # >> Harbor freight has a 7 inch circular saw that's specifically designed # >> to cut metal. How long will it last? I don't trust them. But I # >> figured if it makes it through this one project it'll have paid for # >> itself. # >> # >> I snarfed one of those puppies off the shelf in Fresno the other day. # >> It's a funny looking saw. It has a complete wrap-around plastic shield # >> ( chromed to look like metal ). # >> # >> Yesterday I tried it out. Hot damn! Thing cuts through 1/8" mild # >> steel plate like a hot knife through butter. But it's messy. It # >> throws shards of hot metal everywhere. Ouch! I was wearing protective # >> goggles, they weren't enough. I'll be using an old welding hood with # >> the inner light filter removed. And long-sleeved coveralls. And # >> gloves. And a cap to keep it out of my hair. And earplugs. And # >> over-the-ear hearing protectors. # >> # >> # >> - Jerry Kaidor # >> # >> # >> # > # > -- # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: I think you'll find this interesting.. On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Stephen Rigley wrote: http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95946 interesting... everyone else gets Diesels... :( ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:13:45 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] W124 vacuum issue? I always hear a motor running behind the back seat for about a minute or two after I turn off the car. Until it stops, it is very difficult to unlock the doors. We generally run with them unlocked, only locking it when we park it (the problem being if we lock it and then realize we forgot something...) The back right door is always the last lock to lock, and sometimes fails to fully engage. That said, it doesn't seem to be much changed in a long time (had this problem for a few years, so far). The new thing is the whole having to open the hood and hit the STOP lever to kill the engine (much simpler on my old W115, which just kills it from the dash as the standard method). Hopefully I will get the chance to stop by John's later today and test things out (I've never disassembled the door before). And I will check in the morning if I see any new signs of oil under the hood (need to figure out which are the vacuum lines...) Thanks! -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Thu Jun 03, 2010, Alec Cordova wrote: > > On a 124, I think the door locks are still vacuum operated, but > instead of drawing from engine vacuum (or the engine-driven vacuum > pump on a diesel), it's powered by a little electric vacuum pump that > lives under the rear passenger seat bottom. > > At least it was that way on my 89 300CE. > > If this were a 123, I'd say pull up the carpet in front of the > driver's seat, find the vacuum lines, disconnect at a Y coupling, and > stuff a golf tee into the line that comes from the engine bay. That > would block off all the door lock vacuum circuits. > > Now that I think about it, since 124 door locks run from the electric > vacuum pump (gives you more than 5 or 6 lock/unlock cycles after > shutting off the engine), I would think that any vacuum leak in the > door lock circuit could not affect the other vacuum systems. > > Look in the vacuum lines under the hood for signs of oil. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 08 smart fortwo, 30K > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:06 AM, john wrote: > > if the door locks were misbehaving then it's likely unrelated > > to the repairs to the door... the door locks I think are electric, but have > > something to do with vacuum... paul, do you remember? :) > > > > john > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > > > # Seem to be. Haven't used any HVAC aside from vent/fan in a while. Blew > lots of hot air after the engine dieseled for a while with the key off, but > that makes sense. Brakes have worked fine (especially when the moose ran out > in front of us while we were doing 65 mph). > > # > > # And the door locks issue seems unchanged from a year ago. > > # > > # -bkc > > # > > # > > # On Wed Jun 02, 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: > > # > > > # > Other than engine shut-off and door locks, are all other > vacuum-operated > > # > things working properly? HVAC flaps, power brakes, etc? > > # > > > # > //Steve > > # > > > # > > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:45:19 -0700 > > # > > From: bkc-benzlist2@dreamfire.com > > # > > To: diesel-benz@Digest.net > > # > > Subject: [db] W124 vacuum issue? > > # > > > > # > > Hey, all. > > # > > > > # > > While enjoying driving the Cascade Loop this past weekend, we > discovered > > # > that the engine was taking longer and longer to actually stop after the > key > > # > was turned to "off". Then, as of yesterday, it completely fails to > turn off > > # > from the key. We have to get out and use the kill switch on the > engine. > > # > > > > # > > We've already had a vacuum issue with the locks for years, but this > is the > > # > first it is affecting anything else. The driver's door was recently > replaced, > > # > so perhaps something is not connected firmly in there? > > # > > > > # > > Any thoughts welcome. We already have one other car down > indefinitely, so > > # > finding a simple/cheap fix for this would be good. :) > > # > > > > # > > This is the 1993 300D 2.5 W124/602 in question. > > # > > > > # > > Thanks! > > # > > -bkc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] W124 vacuum issue? > I always hear a motor running behind the back seat for about a minute > or two after I turn off the car. Until it stops, it is very > difficult to unlock the doors. *** My W126 300SD has the same motor. Because of it, I have to disconnect the battery when I leave the car ( at the airport, for possibly a month ), or the battery will be dead as a coffin nail when I come back. Been there, done that! A leaky vacuum system will make that little motor just run and run and run and run. And pretty much any 30-year-old car will have a leaky vacuum system. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT) From: diesel john Subject: RE: [db] W124 vacuum issue? I've unzipped the PDF files here: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/124-door-vacuum/ Steve, thanx... I've got an interesting problem with my '91 300d, the driver's door will lock/unlock all doors, but the passenger side door lock will not lock all or unlock all with the key... I'm pretty sure that the gentleman behavior of opening the door for my bride was oft rewarded with all the doors opening with the key... but not now... will use these diagrams to sort it out... hope it's something simple for the both of us. :) so while I fiddle with my VW pickup my 300D suffers with an incomplete door lock system, an a/c system that only works on life support (attach a can of r134 and drive around) and a deceased traction control system that always caused me to slide when it worked (no loss), and almost forget a wonkers glow plug controller... all it takes is money and I could get all of them fixed... couple hundred here, four hundred there... or one just lives with it and enjoys an economical ride. :) will report what I find with mine... bruce, if you want to borrow my mightyvac for a few hours you're welcome to... not sure what we're doing today, but if they start the roof next week I'm taking off so I'll be around. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: # # I've attached some data to help in troubleshooting the engine stop problem. The 07.1-500 file is the engine vacuum diagram and the other file is a door vacuum file for future reference if you decide to attack the door locking problems. I believe the 602.962 eng vac diagram is on page 10 of the 07.1 pdf document. Item nmbr 6 shown sitting on the injection pump is probably the culprit if you don't have a vacuum leak somewhere in else in the vacuum system. As they say in the submarine movies... good hunting and good luck. Let me know how it turns out. I have to disassemble my daughter's Mazda today so she can listen to the radio. The audio power amp (that has failed) in a Mazda 3 is under the driver's seat and the seat has to come out before the amp can be removed. arrrgh. # //Steve # # > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:13:45 -0700 # > From: bkc-benzlist2@dreamfire.com # > To: diesel-benz@digest.net # > CC: pk.mlk@verizon.net # > Subject: Re: [db] W124 vacuum issue? # > # > I always hear a motor running behind the back seat for about a minute # > or two after I turn off the car. Until it stops, it is very # > difficult to unlock the doors. We generally run with them unlocked, # > only locking it when we park it (the problem being if we lock it and # > then realize we forgot something...) The back right door is always # > the last lock to lock, and sometimes fails to fully engage. # > # > That said, it doesn't seem to be much changed in a long time (had # > this problem for a few years, so far). The new thing is the whole # > having to open the hood and hit the STOP lever to kill the engine # > (much simpler on my old W115, which just kills it from the dash as # > the standard method). # > # > Hopefully I will get the chance to stop by John's later today and # > test things out (I've never disassembled the door before). And I # > will check in the morning if I see any new signs of oil under the # > hood (need to figure out which are the vacuum lines...) # > # > Thanks! # > -bkc # > Lynnwood, WA # > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # > # > # > On Thu Jun 03, 2010, Alec Cordova wrote: # > > # > > On a 124, I think the door locks are still vacuum operated, but # > > instead of drawing from engine vacuum (or the engine-driven vacuum # > > pump on a diesel), it's powered by a little electric vacuum pump that # > > lives under the rear passenger seat bottom. # > > # > > At least it was that way on my 89 300CE. # > > # > > If this were a 123, I'd say pull up the carpet in front of the # > > driver's seat, find the vacuum lines, disconnect at a Y coupling, and # > > stuff a golf tee into the line that comes from the engine bay. That # > > would block off all the door lock vacuum circuits. # > > # > > Now that I think about it, since 124 door locks run from the electric # > > vacuum pump (gives you more than 5 or 6 lock/unlock cycles after # > > shutting off the engine), I would think that any vacuum leak in the # > > door lock circuit could not affect the other vacuum systems. # > > # > > Look in the vacuum lines under the hood for signs of oil. # > > # > > Alec Cordova # > > Taylor, Texas # > > 08 smart fortwo, 30K # > > # > > # > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:06 AM, john wrote: # > > > if the door locks were misbehaving then it's likely unrelated # > > > to the repairs to the door... the door locks I think are electric, but have # > > > something to do with vacuum... paul, do you remember? :) # > > > # > > > john # > > > # > > > # > > > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > > > # > > > # Seem to be. Haven't used any HVAC aside from vent/fan in a while. Blew # > > lots of hot air after the engine dieseled for a while with the key off, but # > > that makes sense. Brakes have worked fine (especially when the moose ran out # > > in front of us while we were doing 65 mph). # > > > # # > > > # And the door locks issue seems unchanged from a year ago. # > > > # # > > > # -bkc # > > > # # > > > # # > > > # On Wed Jun 02, 2010, Steve Morelen wrote: # > > > # > # > > > # > Other than engine shut-off and door locks, are all other # > > vacuum-operated # > > > # > things working properly? HVAC flaps, power brakes, etc? # > > > # > # > > > # > //Steve # > > > # > # > > > # > > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:45:19 -0700 # > > > # > > From: bkc-benzlist2@dreamfire.com # > > > # > > To: diesel-benz@Digest.net # > > > # > > Subject: [db] W124 vacuum issue? # > > > # > > # > > > # > > Hey, all. # > > > # > > # > > > # > > While enjoying driving the Cascade Loop this past weekend, we # > > discovered # > > > # > that the engine was taking longer and longer to actually stop after the # > > key # > > > # > was turned to "off". Then, as of yesterday, it completely fails to # > > turn off # > > > # > from the key. We have to get out and use the kill switch on the # > > engine. # > > > # > > # > > > # > > We've already had a vacuum issue with the locks for years, but this # > > is the # > > > # > first it is affecting anything else. The driver's door was recently # > > replaced, # > > > # > so perhaps something is not connected firmly in there? # > > > # > > # > > > # > > Any thoughts welcome. We already have one other car down # > > indefinitely, so # > > > # > finding a simple/cheap fix for this would be good. :) # > > > # > > # > > > # > > This is the 1993 300D 2.5 W124/602 in question. # > > > # > > # > > > # > > Thanks! # > > > # > > -bkc # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3292 **********************************