From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Fri Aug 27 00:02:01 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, August 27 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3318 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix [db] are we talking about the pressure valve seals again? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:15:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix Ass, thanks for the info and support from everyone. Prognosis, engine mounts. Engine was completely disengaged from one of them really not good situation. Transmission mounts are also shot. Both did not take a lot of inspection to see the very obvious problems. Looks like one of the injector pump outputs is leaking. Thinking the vibrations shook something loose. Might have to put in new gaskets, hope not as I do not have the spline socket. But what an excuse to buy a new tool. John - -----Original Message----- >From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:49 PM >To: dieseljohn@comcast.net >Cc: dbl >Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix > >No mess under hood and no visible diesel leaks. > >Im under the hood regularly as I am still running down the ignition fuel cut off issue and have to hit the lever on the injector to shut down. But looks like I have a more urgent task at hand. Odd thing is the shut off lever goes partially down and am getting what appears to be sufficient vacuume as measure from the line to activate lever. Another discussion for another day > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: john >>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM >>To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>Cc: dbl >>Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix >> >> btw, do you smell any Diesel? >> >>I've lost an injector line on a couple of rigs... sometimes you lose power >>drastically, other times not so much... but >>almost always you'll smell Diesel and usually find a mess under the hood... :) >> >>john >> >>On 8/20/2010 2:23 PM, dieseljohn@comcast.net wrote: >>> Lift the engine with a big bar or carefully with a jack. If the mount is bad it'll likely separate. If the mounts are solid the watch the harmonic balancer and crawl underneath to make sure the flex plate/tc aren't dancing or loose. >>> >>> At least you know it's not tire balance or u-joints or tires. :) >>> ------Original Message------ >>> From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>> To: Dj >>> ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>> Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix >>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 14:06 >>> >>> John, >>> >>> Thanks for the quick response. So basically isolate a bad injector. After that, is there a good visual way to tell if its balancer or mounts? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dieseljohn@comcast.net >>>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:00 PM >>>> To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com, dbl >>>> Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to find sourse and fix >>>> >>>> could be a bad injector/line, mounts, balancer. Loss of power points to the former. Loosen each injector, if the engine or vibes get worse that's good. If there's no change, that's the problem. >>>> ------Original Message------ >>>> From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>>> Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net >>>> To: dbl >>>> ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>>> Subject: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to find sourse and fix >>>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 13:51 >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking for some advice. My 87 190DT just started vibrating badly. The vibration is very noticeable at idle and continues at all speeds but of course is less noticeable as it is masked by other driving noise etc. >>>> >>>> Thoughts are damper or engine mount but really am not sure. I hope nothing more serious than that. Drivability seems to be about the same though there may be less power though Im not 100% sure as I am driving it lightly due to vibration. Any ideas as to what to check? >>>> >>>> Thanks all, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> >> >>-- >> >> ----- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:16:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix Oops meant to say all thanks. Sorry for the typo... - -----Original Message----- >From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:49 PM >To: dieseljohn@comcast.net >Cc: dbl >Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix > >No mess under hood and no visible diesel leaks. > >Im under the hood regularly as I am still running down the ignition fuel cut off issue and have to hit the lever on the injector to shut down. But looks like I have a more urgent task at hand. Odd thing is the shut off lever goes partially down and am getting what appears to be sufficient vacuume as measure from the line to activate lever. Another discussion for another day > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: john >>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM >>To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>Cc: dbl >>Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix >> >> btw, do you smell any Diesel? >> >>I've lost an injector line on a couple of rigs... sometimes you lose power >>drastically, other times not so much... but >>almost always you'll smell Diesel and usually find a mess under the hood... :) >> >>john >> >>On 8/20/2010 2:23 PM, dieseljohn@comcast.net wrote: >>> Lift the engine with a big bar or carefully with a jack. If the mount is bad it'll likely separate. If the mounts are solid the watch the harmonic balancer and crawl underneath to make sure the flex plate/tc aren't dancing or loose. >>> >>> At least you know it's not tire balance or u-joints or tires. :) >>> ------Original Message------ >>> From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>> To: Dj >>> ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>> Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix >>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 14:06 >>> >>> John, >>> >>> Thanks for the quick response. So basically isolate a bad injector. After that, is there a good visual way to tell if its balancer or mounts? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dieseljohn@comcast.net >>>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:00 PM >>>> To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com, dbl >>>> Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to find sourse and fix >>>> >>>> could be a bad injector/line, mounts, balancer. Loss of power points to the former. Loosen each injector, if the engine or vibes get worse that's good. If there's no change, that's the problem. >>>> ------Original Message------ >>>> From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>>> Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net >>>> To: dbl >>>> ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>>> Subject: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to find sourse and fix >>>> Sent: Aug 20, 2010 13:51 >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking for some advice. My 87 190DT just started vibrating badly. The vibration is very noticeable at idle and continues at all speeds but of course is less noticeable as it is masked by other driving noise etc. >>>> >>>> Thoughts are damper or engine mount but really am not sure. I hope nothing more serious than that. Drivability seems to be about the same though there may be less power though Im not 100% sure as I am driving it lightly due to vibration. Any ideas as to what to check? >>>> >>>> Thanks all, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> >> >>-- >> >> ----- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:00 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to look or what to open up? Thanks for any help! -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:28:14 -0500 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Shift rod bushings, if it is like the W123. Thomas E. Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:26 PM To: diesel-benz@Digest.net Subject: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to look or what to open up? Thanks for any help! -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:51:16 -0700 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Hi, I had this same issue on my 190D a few months ago. I found that it was cheapest/easiest/quickest to just buy the new shift rod bushings from the local Mercedes dealer. Since it's a $2 or $3 dollar part online, but then you have to pay for shipping (unless you have $97 of other parts to buy)...it ended up being $8 or $9 to order it...and the local dealer sold it for $7. BTW: on the 190D, there was an "upper or forward" and a "lower or back" bushing. I just guessed it was the lower one, and it turned out to match the bushing that is directly below the shift knob, and connects that shift knob rod to the rod going forward to the transmission. I guess the forward one must be up where that rod connects into the transmission somewhere. I wouldn't want to have to change that one...can't even see it... There is a clip on the bushing, to hold it together with the shift rods, and I found that using needle nose pliers to separate the clip, by inserting the two ends of the pliers on either side of the clip, and then a screwdriver or something to pull it off/on worked great. When putting it on, I pre-loaded the clip onto the pliers, and then used a screwdriver to slip in in place, then just pull the pliers out to snap it together and lock it in place. Also, make a note of which way the metal connecting rod that goes through the middle of the bushing starts from...I replaced it backwards, and then it touched the drive shaft in second gear, and I had to take off the clip and flip it back around... Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of Potter, Tom E Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:28 PM To: Bruce Caruthers; diesel-benz@Digest.net Subject: RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Shift rod bushings, if it is like the W123. Thomas E. Potter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:26 PM To: diesel-benz@Digest.net Subject: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to look or what to open up? Thanks for any help! -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:00:39 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem you need to replace the 2 shift linkage bushings. Bruce Caruthers wrote: > My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". > > I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to look or what to open up? > > Thanks for any help! > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3094 - Release Date: 08/25/10 13:34:00 > > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem knowing about your vast mechanical abilities and how large your toolbox and shop is... I'd recommend dropping by Dave's Transmission over there in Lynnwood and asking one of the Dave's to take a look for you... they won't charge you for a drive-by and will be able to determine quickly if you should start digging a six foot deep hole that will fit a W115, or likely tighten up the loose nut on the linkage, or ask you to refinance your house and make an appointment... ;) this could be something simple... or we can hope... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". # # I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to look or what to open up? # # Thanks for any help! # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:31:15 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT bad engine vibrations just started need to findsourse and fix John: You will need to replace both the o-rings and the copper washers. Not at all hard, but be very careful to clean everything before you open. And whatever you do, don't lose any of the springs! Kent Bergsma makes a nice kit, which includes the gaskets, socket and the perfect tool for retrieving the washers. It's a little expensive for what it is, but having everything in one place is a good thing. http://www.mercedessource.com/node/2615 Mike Frank At 05:15 PM 8/26/2010, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Looks like one of the injector pump outputs is leaking. Thinking >the vibrations shook something loose. Might have to put in new >gaskets, hope not as I do not have the spline socket. But what an >excuse to buy a new tool. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] are we talking about the pressure valve seals again? is this what we're talking about again? :) http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement/ http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/Pressure-Valve-Seal-Replacement-2010/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Mike Frank wrote: # John: # # You will need to replace both the o-rings and the copper washers. Not at all # hard, but be very careful to clean everything before you open. And whatever # you do, don't lose any of the springs! Kent Bergsma makes a nice kit, which # includes the gaskets, socket and the perfect tool for retrieving the washers. # It's a little expensive for what it is, but having everything in one place is # a good thing. # # http://www.mercedessource.com/node/2615 # # Mike Frank # # # At 05:15 PM 8/26/2010, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: # >Looks like one of the injector pump outputs is leaking. Thinking the # >vibrations shook something loose. Might have to put in new gaskets, hope # >not as I do not have the spline socket. But what an excuse to buy a new # >tool. # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3318 **********************************