From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Fri Sep 17 05:36:48 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 17 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3325 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem [db] Differential Re: [db] Differential Re: [db] Differential Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:37:25 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem Thanks for all the advice. It was indeed the bushings (both front and back). Got the chance to work on it today. Had stopped by my friend with a pit (owns a lube shop) to confirm what looked like the problem a few days ago, then had a couple of back and forths with the parts folks to properly identify which exact version of the part I needed (kudos to Nick and Roel, as usual, at the local dealership). They even had them in stock and sold them to me for $3.20 each (list is $6.70 or something like that). :) Both bushings were shot. The rear one was completely missing (probably fell out, resulting in the "fine one day, bad the next" suddenness), and the forward one looked like a rotted tooth and crumbled quickly once we started handling it. Spent about four hours in the pit today... We thought it would just be quick, but the access is horrible. The first one (rear, directly below the console shifter) wasn't too bad, mostly just us being too cautious as to the amount of pressure to apply. The front one, however, is where you really can't get much in the way of tools to it, just hands. The old remnants easily fell out, and we were able to get the clip off, but then we couldn't get in enough to squeeze the new bushing in. There's a part that looks like we can just remove it and easily work on all this, but we were afraid it might require some sort of proper alignment or adjustment afterwards for the tranny to work right... So, ended up putting a scrap piece of tubing as a temporary bushing for there and spent three hours trying to get the clip back on. :/ Guess I'll have to take it in to the shop for that frotn bushing, unless that piece of metal (attaches to the rotating thing on the side of the tranny case, has three holes, the frontmost of which is where the linkage rod goes) is okay to just remove and put back. Shifts solidly and precisely now, although I assume that tubing won't last too long... - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Thu Aug 26, 2010, Scott Haaland wrote: > Hi, > > I had this same issue on my 190D a few months ago. I found that it was > cheapest/easiest/quickest to just buy the new shift rod bushings from the > local Mercedes dealer. Since it's a $2 or $3 dollar part online, but then > you have to pay for shipping (unless you have $97 of other parts to > buy)...it ended up being $8 or $9 to order it...and the local dealer sold it > for $7. BTW: on the 190D, there was an "upper or forward" and a "lower or > back" bushing. I just guessed it was the lower one, and it turned out to > match the bushing that is directly below the shift knob, and connects that > shift knob rod to the rod going forward to the transmission. I guess the > forward one must be up where that rod connects into the transmission > somewhere. I wouldn't want to have to change that one...can't even see > it... > > There is a clip on the bushing, to hold it together with the shift rods, and > I found that using needle nose pliers to separate the clip, by inserting the > two ends of the pliers on either side of the clip, and then a screwdriver or > something to pull it off/on worked great. When putting it on, I pre-loaded > the clip onto the pliers, and then used a screwdriver to slip in in place, > then just pull the pliers out to snap it together and lock it in place. > > Also, make a note of which way the metal connecting rod that goes through > the middle of the bushing starts from...I replaced it backwards, and then it > touched the drive shaft in second gear, and I had to take off the clip and > flip it back around... > > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On > Behalf Of Potter, Tom E > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:28 PM > To: Bruce Caruthers; diesel-benz@Digest.net > Subject: RE: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem > > Shift rod bushings, if it is like the W123. > > Thomas E. Potter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On > Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:26 PM > To: diesel-benz@Digest.net > Subject: [db] 1976 240D (W115) shifter problem > > My trusty old W115 is having some issues with its shifter. Drives fine, but > when I am trying to shift (P/R/N/D) it doesn't always shift, or takes a > while to shift, or I have to be halfway to the next gear down before it > "catches". There is a slight rattle which seems to be coming from the > shiftbox, and the shifter feels slightly "soft". > > I'm assuming there's a nut or something loose? Any thoughts on where to > look or what to open up? > > Thanks for any help! > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:20:09 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Differential Driving at 70 up a hill in my 190D. Heard a rhythmic sound from the rear, thought it was a tire. Pulled over, and as I was slowing down, the entire rear axle seized, nearly spinning the car completely around. It's the second bad diff on this car. Towed it to the shop, picked up a spare diff from Dave Hendy, and $650 later, it's back on the road. Never thought this would be a weak spot. Just 300K miles on the car. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:53:39 +0000 From: dieseljohn@comcast.net Subject: Re: [db] Differential Wow, I've had a bad seal on my 124 for about 5 years, maybe I should get serious about fixing it. - ------Original Message------ From: Mike Frank Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl Subject: [db] Differential Sent: Sep 15, 2010 20:20 Driving at 70 up a hill in my 190D. Heard a rhythmic sound from the rear, thought it was a tire. Pulled over, and as I was slowing down, the entire rear axle seized, nearly spinning the car completely around. It's the second bad diff on this car. Towed it to the shop, picked up a spare diff from Dave Hendy, and $650 later, it's back on the road. Never thought this would be a weak spot. Just 300K miles on the car. Mike Frank Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:30:56 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] Differential You were lucky! Whats killing them? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:53 AM, wrote: > Wow, I've had a bad seal on my 124 for about 5 years, maybe I should get > serious about fixing it. > ------Original Message------ > From: Mike Frank > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > To: dbl > Subject: [db] Differential > Sent: Sep 15, 2010 20:20 > > Driving at 70 up a hill in my 190D. Heard a rhythmic sound from the > rear, thought it was a tire. Pulled over, and as I was slowing down, > the entire rear axle seized, nearly spinning the car completely > around. It's the second bad diff on this car. Towed it to the shop, > picked up a spare diff from Dave Hendy, and $650 later, it's back on > the road. Never thought this would be a weak spot. Just 300K miles on the > car. > > Mike Frank > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3325 **********************************