From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Wed Sep 22 17:01:34 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, September 22 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3330 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:37:09 +0000 From: dieseljohn@comcast.net Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) Did your car come from a place where they salted the roads or have you driven it where they have? I haven't had any trouble lately, the vehicles I did have may have been exposed. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Caruthers Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:27:53 To: diesel-benz list Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) Is there anything I can/should be doing to slow or prevent (or patch?) the corrosion? This is the first time I've run into this. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Tue Sep 21, 2010, John Meister wrote: > no, the tires break internally... actually the steel belts break or shift. > > corrosion causes the pitting... have had that problem before as well. > not leaking... > > john > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # We'll see if I still have any groans, creaks, and squeals when Jim is done with the ball joint. Hopefully all gone then. Everything else seems quiet and behaved. Hope that's a good sign (no noises)... > # > # My right-side rims are "pitting" according to Discount Tire, and have trouble holding pressure (slow leakage). Maybe similar problem killing your tires? (I need to check those extra rims I have to see how they are.) > # > # Is there a way to fix that pitting? (sealant? coating?) > # > # -bkc > # > # > # On Mon Sep 20, 2010, John Meister wrote: > # > > # > the rear suspension squeaked, was bushings... or loose... I think jim startup > # > tightened them once. > # > > # > my '91 300d is pulling to right, but suspect it's a bad tire, front end > # > alignment was just done, shop condemned the tires... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Scott Haaland wrote: > # > > # > # I was having a lot of groaning/creaking sounds a few years ago, and also > # > # wheels going out of balance and wearing prematurely. I replaced the Tie > # > # Rods with no effect, and so attacked the ball joints next. Once I replaced > # > # both lower ball joints, all of the shimmy, groans and creaks, and tire wear > # > # went away. I guess those are some additional symptoms to watch for...I > # > # later replaced the driver's side front and rear strut/shock...due to a > # > # banging when bottoming out. I guess a bad strut could also cause a shimmy > # > # and tire wear, but the ball joint cleared it up first in my case. > # > # > # > # I still have some squeaking/creaking noises somewhere in the "body to frame" > # > # mount points, because just getting in or out of the car causes some > # > # squeaking....but those have been there ever since I got the car from John > # > # back in 2003 or 2004? Was it that long ago? Wow, time flies...I have > # > # 278,000 miles on it now...it has something like 220,000 when I got it....so > # > # I don't put a whole lot of miles on....working from home has that > # > # benefit....going stir crazy is the other side effect (along with twitching > # > # uncontrollably) LOL... > # > # > # > # Anyway...I'm glad I replaced those ball joints after hearing what happens if > # > # they break!! As I recall...it's neither too difficult nor expensive (I > # > # rented a ball joint separator from Auto Zone--can't remember if there are > # > # any other special tool requirements)...something y'all should look into > # > # doing if any symptoms show up. > # > # > # > # -- > # > # Scott > # > # 1985 190D 2.2L - W201 > # > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On > # > # Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers > # > # Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:04 PM > # > # To: diesel-benz list > # > # Subject: Re: [db] The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124) > # > # > # > # That wheel has been moaning, groaning, and squealing for years, but whenever > # > # I had anyone look at it, it got the all clear, just got blamed on the brake > # > # pads being noisy, or the tie rods being slightly worn on that side. > # > # > # > # Jim had said, last time I had him check it, if there was anything wrong, it > # > # was probably the ball joint, but he also said it wouldn't be a safety > # > # problem. And he was surprised to find out it had broken off. > # > # > # > # This and a couple of other things just reinforce that I need to trust my > # > # instincts. :) > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # > # > # On Sat Sep 18, 2010, John Meister wrote: > # > # > > # > # > were there any warning signs??? > # > # > > # > # > this makes me wonder what evil lurks in the driveway... axles locking > # > # > up, ball joints failing... scott from the bay area just called, his > # > # > vents quit working and he's driving into the central valley with the > # > # > windows open... > # > # > > # > # > rube goldberg is having his merry way with all of us... :) > # > # > > # > # > can't say the TDI is less complex, but it's newer... I'm so looking > # > # > forward to my J10 being completed... simple... old school stuff... no > # > # > computers (except in the stereo/mp3 player. ;) good old Dana 44 axles, > # > # > regular old vents some even cable operated... :) > # > # > > # > # > john > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # That sounds very similar and encouraging that it will be the cheaper > # > # repair! > # > # > # > # > # > # I'm just really glad it didn't happen when we were doing the Cascades > # > # Loop a couple of months ago, or when we went out to a friend's cabin in > # > # Roslyn, or so many other much more costly and/or problematic locations and > # > # times... > # > # > # > # > # > # Probably the only better locations would have been in our driveway (and > # > # *not* blocking the other cars!) or at Jim Startup's place. :) > # > # > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # > # > # > # > # On Fri Sep 17, 2010, Mike Frank wrote: > # > # > # > > # > # > # > I've had this happen on my 190D. The lower ball joint went dry and > # > # > # > corroded to the point that it popped out of the socket. Result is the > # > # > # > lower A arm was driven into the pavement by the spring, and the wheel > # > # > # > flapped about. Simple fix to replace the ball joint, and no other > # > # > # > problems with it in the last two hundred thousand miles or so. > # > # > # > > # > # > # > Mike Frank > # > # > # > > # > # > # > > # > # > # > > # > # > # > At 09:37 PM 9/17/2010, you wrote: > # > # > # > >Had my front right wheel fall/break off today. What fun. And just > # > # > # > >after jury-rigging the tranny on the '76. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:49:27 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) This is the car which came from Illinois, so it definitely has some rust (likely an element of the ball joint problem). - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Wed Sep 22, 2010, John Meister wrote: > > Did your car come from a place where they salted the roads or have you driven it where they have? I haven't had any trouble lately, the vehicles I did have may have been exposed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Caruthers > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:27:53 > To: diesel-benz list > Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers > Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 > W124)) > > Is there anything I can/should be doing to slow or prevent (or patch?) the corrosion? This is the first time I've run into this. > > -bkc > > On Tue Sep 21, 2010, John Meister wrote: > > no, the tires break internally... actually the steel belts break or shift. > > > > corrosion causes the pitting... have had that problem before as well. > > not leaking... > > > > john > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > > > # We'll see if I still have any groans, creaks, and squeals when Jim is done with the ball joint. Hopefully all gone then. Everything else seems quiet and behaved. Hope that's a good sign (no noises)... > > # > > # My right-side rims are "pitting" according to Discount Tire, and have trouble holding pressure (slow leakage). Maybe similar problem killing your tires? (I need to check those extra rims I have to see how they are.) > > # > > # Is there a way to fix that pitting? (sealant? coating?) > > # > > # -bkc > > # > > # > > # On Mon Sep 20, 2010, John Meister wrote: > > # > > > # > the rear suspension squeaked, was bushings... or loose... I think jim startup > > # > tightened them once. > > # > > > # > my '91 300d is pulling to right, but suspect it's a bad tire, front end > > # > alignment was just done, shop condemned the tires... :) > > # > > > # > john > > # > > > # > > > # > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # > > > # > # I was having a lot of groaning/creaking sounds a few years ago, and also > > # > # wheels going out of balance and wearing prematurely. I replaced the Tie > > # > # Rods with no effect, and so attacked the ball joints next. Once I replaced > > # > # both lower ball joints, all of the shimmy, groans and creaks, and tire wear > > # > # went away. I guess those are some additional symptoms to watch for...I > > # > # later replaced the driver's side front and rear strut/shock...due to a > > # > # banging when bottoming out. I guess a bad strut could also cause a shimmy > > # > # and tire wear, but the ball joint cleared it up first in my case. > > # > # > > # > # I still have some squeaking/creaking noises somewhere in the "body to frame" > > # > # mount points, because just getting in or out of the car causes some > > # > # squeaking....but those have been there ever since I got the car from John > > # > # back in 2003 or 2004? Was it that long ago? Wow, time flies...I have > > # > # 278,000 miles on it now...it has something like 220,000 when I got it....so > > # > # I don't put a whole lot of miles on....working from home has that > > # > # benefit....going stir crazy is the other side effect (along with twitching > > # > # uncontrollably) LOL... > > # > # > > # > # Anyway...I'm glad I replaced those ball joints after hearing what happens if > > # > # they break!! As I recall...it's neither too difficult nor expensive (I > > # > # rented a ball joint separator from Auto Zone--can't remember if there are > > # > # any other special tool requirements)...something y'all should look into > > # > # doing if any symptoms show up. > > # > # > > # > # -- > > # > # Scott > > # > # 1985 190D 2.2L - W201 > > # > # > > # > # -----Original Message----- > > # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On > > # > # Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers > > # > # Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:04 PM > > # > # To: diesel-benz list > > # > # Subject: Re: [db] The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124) > > # > # > > # > # That wheel has been moaning, groaning, and squealing for years, but whenever > > # > # I had anyone look at it, it got the all clear, just got blamed on the brake > > # > # pads being noisy, or the tie rods being slightly worn on that side. > > # > # > > # > # Jim had said, last time I had him check it, if there was anything wrong, it > > # > # was probably the ball joint, but he also said it wouldn't be a safety > > # > # problem. And he was surprised to find out it had broken off. > > # > # > > # > # This and a couple of other things just reinforce that I need to trust my > > # > # instincts. :) > > # > # > > # > # -bkc > > # > # > > # > # On Sat Sep 18, 2010, John Meister wrote: > > # > # > > > # > # > were there any warning signs??? > > # > # > > > # > # > this makes me wonder what evil lurks in the driveway... axles locking > > # > # > up, ball joints failing... scott from the bay area just called, his > > # > # > vents quit working and he's driving into the central valley with the > > # > # > windows open... > > # > # > > > # > # > rube goldberg is having his merry way with all of us... :) > > # > # > > > # > # > can't say the TDI is less complex, but it's newer... I'm so looking > > # > # > forward to my J10 being completed... simple... old school stuff... no > > # > # > computers (except in the stereo/mp3 player. ;) good old Dana 44 axles, > > # > # > regular old vents some even cable operated... :) > > # > # > > > # > # > john > > # > # > > > # > # > > > # > # > On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # > # > > > # > # > # That sounds very similar and encouraging that it will be the cheaper > > # > # repair! > > # > # > # > > # > # > # I'm just really glad it didn't happen when we were doing the Cascades > > # > # Loop a couple of months ago, or when we went out to a friend's cabin in > > # > # Roslyn, or so many other much more costly and/or problematic locations and > > # > # times... > > # > # > # > > # > # > # Probably the only better locations would have been in our driveway (and > > # > # *not* blocking the other cars!) or at Jim Startup's place. :) > > # > # > # > > # > # > # -bkc > > # > # > # > > # > # > # On Fri Sep 17, 2010, Mike Frank wrote: > > # > # > # > > > # > # > # > I've had this happen on my 190D. The lower ball joint went dry and > > # > # > # > corroded to the point that it popped out of the socket. Result is the > > # > # > # > lower A arm was driven into the pavement by the spring, and the wheel > > # > # > # > flapped about. Simple fix to replace the ball joint, and no other > > # > # > # > problems with it in the last two hundred thousand miles or so. > > # > # > # > > > # > # > # > Mike Frank > > # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > # > # > # > > > # > # > # > At 09:37 PM 9/17/2010, you wrote: > > # > # > # > >Had my front right wheel fall/break off today. What fun. And just > > # > # > # > >after jury-rigging the tranny on the '76. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124)) mine was purchased in Southern Illinois, then moved to Colorado... then out here... not a spot of rust on it... thankfully. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister@comcast.net john@wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # This is the car which came from Illinois, so it definitely has some rust (likely an element of the ball joint problem). # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] # # # On Wed Sep 22, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > # > Did your car come from a place where they salted the roads or have you driven it where they have? I haven't had any trouble lately, the vehicles I did have may have been exposed. # > # > -----Original Message----- # > From: Bruce Caruthers # > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:27:53 # > To: diesel-benz list # > Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers # > Subject: Re: [db] wheels/tires (was: The wheels are falling off... ('93 # > W124)) # > # > Is there anything I can/should be doing to slow or prevent (or patch?) the corrosion? This is the first time I've run into this. # > # > -bkc # > # > On Tue Sep 21, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > no, the tires break internally... actually the steel belts break or shift. # > > # > > corrosion causes the pitting... have had that problem before as well. # > > not leaking... # > > # > > john # > > # > > # > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > > # > > # We'll see if I still have any groans, creaks, and squeals when Jim is done with the ball joint. Hopefully all gone then. Everything else seems quiet and behaved. Hope that's a good sign (no noises)... # > > # # > > # My right-side rims are "pitting" according to Discount Tire, and have trouble holding pressure (slow leakage). Maybe similar problem killing your tires? (I need to check those extra rims I have to see how they are.) # > > # # > > # Is there a way to fix that pitting? (sealant? coating?) # > > # # > > # -bkc # > > # # > > # # > > # On Mon Sep 20, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > # > > # > the rear suspension squeaked, was bushings... or loose... I think jim startup # > > # > tightened them once. # > > # > # > > # > my '91 300d is pulling to right, but suspect it's a bad tire, front end # > > # > alignment was just done, shop condemned the tires... :) # > > # > # > > # > john # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Scott Haaland wrote: # > > # > # > > # > # I was having a lot of groaning/creaking sounds a few years ago, and also # > > # > # wheels going out of balance and wearing prematurely. I replaced the Tie # > > # > # Rods with no effect, and so attacked the ball joints next. Once I replaced # > > # > # both lower ball joints, all of the shimmy, groans and creaks, and tire wear # > > # > # went away. I guess those are some additional symptoms to watch for...I # > > # > # later replaced the driver's side front and rear strut/shock...due to a # > > # > # banging when bottoming out. I guess a bad strut could also cause a shimmy # > > # > # and tire wear, but the ball joint cleared it up first in my case. # > > # > # # > > # > # I still have some squeaking/creaking noises somewhere in the "body to frame" # > > # > # mount points, because just getting in or out of the car causes some # > > # > # squeaking....but those have been there ever since I got the car from John # > > # > # back in 2003 or 2004? Was it that long ago? Wow, time flies...I have # > > # > # 278,000 miles on it now...it has something like 220,000 when I got it....so # > > # > # I don't put a whole lot of miles on....working from home has that # > > # > # benefit....going stir crazy is the other side effect (along with twitching # > > # > # uncontrollably) LOL... # > > # > # # > > # > # Anyway...I'm glad I replaced those ball joints after hearing what happens if # > > # > # they break!! As I recall...it's neither too difficult nor expensive (I # > > # > # rented a ball joint separator from Auto Zone--can't remember if there are # > > # > # any other special tool requirements)...something y'all should look into # > > # > # doing if any symptoms show up. # > > # > # # > > # > # -- # > > # > # Scott # > > # > # 1985 190D 2.2L - W201 # > > # > # # > > # > # -----Original Message----- # > > # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On # > > # > # Behalf Of Bruce Caruthers # > > # > # Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:04 PM # > > # > # To: diesel-benz list # > > # > # Subject: Re: [db] The wheels are falling off... ('93 W124) # > > # > # # > > # > # That wheel has been moaning, groaning, and squealing for years, but whenever # > > # > # I had anyone look at it, it got the all clear, just got blamed on the brake # > > # > # pads being noisy, or the tie rods being slightly worn on that side. # > > # > # # > > # > # Jim had said, last time I had him check it, if there was anything wrong, it # > > # > # was probably the ball joint, but he also said it wouldn't be a safety # > > # > # problem. And he was surprised to find out it had broken off. # > > # > # # > > # > # This and a couple of other things just reinforce that I need to trust my # > > # > # instincts. :) # > > # > # # > > # > # -bkc # > > # > # # > > # > # On Sat Sep 18, 2010, John Meister wrote: # > > # > # > # > > # > # > were there any warning signs??? # > > # > # > # > > # > # > this makes me wonder what evil lurks in the driveway... axles locking # > > # > # > up, ball joints failing... scott from the bay area just called, his # > > # > # > vents quit working and he's driving into the central valley with the # > > # > # > windows open... # > > # > # > # > > # > # > rube goldberg is having his merry way with all of us... :) # > > # > # > # > > # > # > can't say the TDI is less complex, but it's newer... I'm so looking # > > # > # > forward to my J10 being completed... simple... old school stuff... no # > > # > # > computers (except in the stereo/mp3 player. ;) good old Dana 44 axles, # > > # > # > regular old vents some even cable operated... :) # > > # > # > # > > # > # > john # > > # > # > # > > # > # > # > > # > # > On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # > > # > # > # > > # > # > # That sounds very similar and encouraging that it will be the cheaper # > > # > # repair! # > > # > # > # # > > # > # > # I'm just really glad it didn't happen when we were doing the Cascades # > > # > # Loop a couple of months ago, or when we went out to a friend's cabin in # > > # > # Roslyn, or so many other much more costly and/or problematic locations and # > > # > # times... # > > # > # > # # > > # > # > # Probably the only better locations would have been in our driveway (and # > > # > # *not* blocking the other cars!) or at Jim Startup's place. :) # > > # > # > # # > > # > # > # -bkc # > > # > # > # # > > # > # > # On Fri Sep 17, 2010, Mike Frank wrote: # > > # > # > # > # > > # > # > # > I've had this happen on my 190D. The lower ball joint went dry and # > > # > # > # > corroded to the point that it popped out of the socket. Result is the # > > # > # > # > lower A arm was driven into the pavement by the spring, and the wheel # > > # > # > # > flapped about. Simple fix to replace the ball joint, and no other # > > # > # > # > problems with it in the last two hundred thousand miles or so. # > > # > # > # > # > > # > # > # > Mike Frank # > > # > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # > > # > # > # > At 09:37 PM 9/17/2010, you wrote: # > > # > # > # > >Had my front right wheel fall/break off today. What fun. And just # > > # > # > # > >after jury-rigging the tranny on the '76. # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3330 **********************************