From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Mon Sep 27 13:16:26 2010 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, September 27 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3333 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ Re: [db] Sorry guys my mail client is having "issues" [db] Changing differential oil [db] Re: Changing differential oil [db] 3 passes, sea level to 4500 feet... 52.06 mpg. [db] 87 300D climate control head Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:40:47 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ that'll be a nice setup... john On 9/24/2010 2:43 PM, Travis Barnard wrote: > I have a 78 Mercedes CD that is about halfway down with the engine swap. > Speaking of I should go bug my mechanic today and see how that is going. Once > he's got that buttoned up it will be my daily driver. It's the turbo diesel > out of my old 83 SD that's he's putting in it. > > Then the Jeep will become a cthuhluan project all it's own. > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Edward Pomeroy > wrote: > > Shoot, just get a Jetta TDI and you will be spending 120/month on fuel if > you commute 75 miles per day 6 days a week - works for me :-) > > Edward > > > > On 9/24/2010 5:06 PM, Travis Barnard wrote: > > The AC motor I found can do 3600 rpm. I was thinking only running the > generator on the diesel engine. Since it's really a tiny little thing > which > is kinda the point. Better gas mileage. I recently realized I am spending > about 600 a month on gas and parking to drive to work. > > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM, > wrote: > > > There was a kid in san Antonio who created an electric xj. I don't > remember > if I put anything about it on wagoneers.com > or not, google away. > > But a Diesel electric conversion would be amazing. One could use > one motor > feeding the transmission or xfr case, or possibly two motors, one > on each > diff. Problem is rpm range. > > Interesting stuff. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Barnard > > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:02:15 > To: john> > Cc:>; diesel-benz > list> > Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ > > I'm looking more into doing a diesel electric conversion. > > 2cyl Detroit diesel > AC generator > 50-75hp AC electric motor > Ultracapacitors (which will probably cost more than all the items > above > combined) > > I don't plan on any batteries, really just a straight generator > running a > really big ac motor with a bank of capacitors for about a 10-15 second > boost > during hard acceleration. I'm looking into just programming up a TI > Launchpad to run the auto transmission manually at the touch of a > button. > Yes.... one button shifting. ( > > http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29?DCMP=launchpad&HQS=Other+OT+launchpadwiki > > ) > Skip the computer in the Jeep. > > I already know what people are thinking. But you can't run an > automatic > trans with electric. > Actually in this case I think it more prudent since from what I > have read > thus far it appears that AC motors produce a lot of torque which > is known > to > kill low gears in the manual transmissions they are plugged into. I'm > hoping > to modify the auto trans and use the torque converter to my > advantage. This > whole thing needs to be able to off road just like (I'm hoping > better) than > the original gasser. > > > Here are a couple pictures of my rig > > http://173.203.97.27/files/xj236hd7jwnc.jpg > > http://173.203.97.27/files/notmuddyenough.jpg > > > Yes it's true I admit it. I'm probably completely nuts.. Get out your > popcorn! > > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM, john > wrote: > > > problems as encountered during an MJ conversion as such was the > clearance of the oil pan on the front axle and steering > components... > > the Benz Diesels have a front sump... if you can get a rear > sump pan, > and lift/reconfigure the steering you'll be ok... > > been thinking of the same... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > when replying, please reply to: fotomeister@comcast.net > > john@wagoneers.com does not get > checked often and is heavily spammed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para > bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Andeanfx wrote: > > # Hey John, et.al what would be the pitfalls > and likely outcome of > transplanting > # a Mercedes engine from such as a 300SD, 300TD or maybe even > a 300D > > into > > an XJ. > # I am thinking, keep the automatic trans and use a divorced > t-case? > > What > > are > # your thoughts? Dean > # > # > # I have been through some terrible things in my life, some > of which > actually > # happened. -- Mark Twain > # > > > > > -- > "In this country we don't tell you what to think; we just give you > your > choice of what to think about" -- Joseph > > > > > > > > > > -- > "In this country we don't tell you what to think; we just give you your choice > of what to think about" -- Joseph - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:43:27 -0700 From: Travis Barnard Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ I have a 78 Mercedes CD that is about halfway down with the engine swap. Speaking of I should go bug my mechanic today and see how that is going. Once he's got that buttoned up it will be my daily driver. It's the turbo diesel out of my old 83 SD that's he's putting in it. Then the Jeep will become a cthuhluan project all it's own. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Shoot, just get a Jetta TDI and you will be spending 120/month on fuel if > you commute 75 miles per day 6 days a week - works for me :-) > > Edward > > > > On 9/24/2010 5:06 PM, Travis Barnard wrote: > >> The AC motor I found can do 3600 rpm. I was thinking only running the >> generator on the diesel engine. Since it's really a tiny little thing >> which >> is kinda the point. Better gas mileage. I recently realized I am spending >> about 600 a month on gas and parking to drive to work. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >>> There was a kid in san Antonio who created an electric xj. I don't >>> remember >>> if I put anything about it on wagoneers.com or not, google away. >>> >>> But a Diesel electric conversion would be amazing. One could use one >>> motor >>> feeding the transmission or xfr case, or possibly two motors, one on each >>> diff. Problem is rpm range. >>> >>> Interesting stuff. >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Travis Barnard >>> Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net >>> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:02:15 >>> To: john >>> Cc:; diesel-benz list >>> Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: diesel XJ >>> >>> I'm looking more into doing a diesel electric conversion. >>> >>> 2cyl Detroit diesel >>> AC generator >>> 50-75hp AC electric motor >>> Ultracapacitors (which will probably cost more than all the items above >>> combined) >>> >>> I don't plan on any batteries, really just a straight generator running a >>> really big ac motor with a bank of capacitors for about a 10-15 second >>> boost >>> during hard acceleration. I'm looking into just programming up a TI >>> Launchpad to run the auto transmission manually at the touch of a button. >>> Yes.... one button shifting. ( >>> >>> >>> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29?DCMP=launchpad&HQS=Other+OT+launchpadwiki >>> ) >>> Skip the computer in the Jeep. >>> >>> I already know what people are thinking. But you can't run an automatic >>> trans with electric. >>> Actually in this case I think it more prudent since from what I have read >>> thus far it appears that AC motors produce a lot of torque which is known >>> to >>> kill low gears in the manual transmissions they are plugged into. I'm >>> hoping >>> to modify the auto trans and use the torque converter to my advantage. >>> This >>> whole thing needs to be able to off road just like (I'm hoping better) >>> than >>> the original gasser. >>> >>> >>> Here are a couple pictures of my rig >>> >>> http://173.203.97.27/files/xj236hd7jwnc.jpg >>> >>> http://173.203.97.27/files/notmuddyenough.jpg >>> >>> >>> Yes it's true I admit it. I'm probably completely nuts.. Get out your >>> popcorn! >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM, john wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> problems as encountered during an MJ conversion as such was the >>>> clearance of the oil pan on the front axle and steering components... >>>> >>>> the Benz Diesels have a front sump... if you can get a rear sump pan, >>>> and lift/reconfigure the steering you'll be ok... >>>> >>>> been thinking of the same... :) >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> when replying, please reply to: fotomeister@comcast.net >>>> john@wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>>> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >>>> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Andeanfx wrote: >>>> >>>> # Hey John, et.al what would be the pitfalls and likely outcome of >>>> transplanting >>>> # a Mercedes engine from such as a 300SD, 300TD or maybe even a 300D >>>> >>>> >>> into >>> >>> >>>> an XJ. >>>> # I am thinking, keep the automatic trans and use a divorced t-case? >>>> >>>> >>> What >>> >>> >>>> are >>>> # your thoughts? Dean >>>> # >>>> # >>>> # I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which >>>> actually >>>> # happened. -- Mark Twain >>>> # >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "In this country we don't tell you what to think; we just give you your >>> choice of what to think about" -- Joseph >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > - -- "In this country we don't tell you what to think; we just give you your choice of what to think about" -- Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:08:39 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [db] Sorry guys my mail client is having "issues" thunderbird? :) On 9/24/2010 1:05 PM, Travis Barnard wrote: > Maybe it needs a conversion > - -- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:03:21 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Changing differential oil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh3FeHVDe7U How to change diff oil in one easy video. Lots of good you tube stuff out there. This is my Sunday project. Put new tires on it today and have been prepping the snowblower for the coming season Yes John, go ahead and rub it in....... Edward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:57:24 +0000 From: dieseljohn@comcast.net Subject: [db] Re: Changing differential oil Ok, what is a snowblower? :). Actually sitting at our favorite German resturaunt in leavenwoth, WA. They actually get snow on this side of the mountains. Not today, sunny and in the 70's. The tdi is doing well, will ck the mileage in 100 miles. About a 300 mile round trip the way we went, pictures to follow. :) - ------Original Message------ From: Edward Pomeroy To: Dj Cc: dbl Subject: Changing differential oil Sent: Sep 25, 2010 14:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh3FeHVDe7U How to change diff oil in one easy video. Lots of good you tube stuff out there. This is my Sunday project. Put new tires on it today and have been prepping the snowblower for the coming season Yes John, go ahead and rub it in....... Edward Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] 3 passes, sea level to 4500 feet... 52.06 mpg. around 275 miles over three mountain passes... snohomish to thorp (near ellensburg) via I-90 over snoqualmie pass, then north on us 97 over blewitt pass to Leavenworth on US2... schnitzel stop... then home over stevens pass... 52.06 mpg... tank was filled with over 70% BioDiesel... wonder what it would have been with all pump Diesel... the benz gets 30mpg around town with Diesel and about 24-26 with BiodDiesel, so that's about a 20% hit, right? 6 mpg? so that means if the TDI behaves the same I might have gotten over 60 mpg on this trip... VW TDI's rule... http://fotomeister.us/2010/09-Sep-25-Thorp-Leavenworth/ALL.html I installed the airlift airbags in the rear springs last night, that helped the bouncing during shifts, no neck headache for my copilot today, car felt a lot nicer to drive... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ when replying, please reply to: fotomeister@comcast.net john@wagoneers.com does not get checked often and is heavily spammed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:31:34 -0400 From: Steve Morelen Subject: [db] 87 300D climate control head Does anyone have an 87 300D parts car lying around? I'm looking for the climate control head unit. Mine has a really quirky problem and its probably easier to replace than to attempt fixing. Steve Morelen Raleigh ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3333 **********************************