From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat Jan 1 19:04:02 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, January 2 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3368 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] spider spikes question [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] spider spikes question [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] spider spikes question [db] Fw: spider spike install question Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] spider spikes question trying to mount my spider spikes, they came without all the hardware, have the compression nuts for the lug nuts but the bolts are a bit too short to secure the plate. I picked up some longer ones and some nylon bushings to hold the plate out... QUESTION, should the plate actually touch the rim or is it ok for that locking plate to stand off of the rim? I am using 5 bolts/5 lug nuts. thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:52:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] spider spikes question On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, dave wrote: # UHHH John, you were supposed to tell us! lol # later, # dave AKA vwdoc1 before or after the damage is done and I have to rebuild it, or find the pieces as they scatter all over town? :) got one response, Michel thought it was ok to stand off... will check with a mechanical engineer friend... I have to buy 10 bolts, spacers and washers... already spent $70 on the little lug nut clamp things. stopped at one tire shop, they weren't much help, but said they will special order them in and they work well, but they're spendy... close to $500, I picked these up barely used, albeit missing a few bits, for $100 from a guy selling a car with the same size tires. What's nice is that these will work on my '03 Jetta and my '91 300D, same size tires... of course I'll have to move the mounting flanges, or scare up another set... thankfully I have the WJ if it should snow, but while cold the next event is rain in a few days... sure the tabs are expired and I couldn't find any place that would take my money... but it did pass emissions now that I replaced the cap. :) seems like we mention something might happen, and it does... tonight we were moving vehicles around in the drive, my son didn't want to start his benz so he told me to push it, I said no way, I'll hurt my back (again), so he starts pushing (instead of starting it) and I say, look out for the trailer canopy... you're heading right ... crunch... for it... well, no damage to my canopy (original J10 dealer option), but there is a new racing stripe/indent on his '85 300d... so I'm wondering, if I mention winning the lottery will it work with a lottery ticket? ;) (yeah, right. ;) I did put the WJ back in the carport, although I had delusions of washing it first... went for a drive up along the sound from US 20 by Anacortes up to 11 and along the Chuckanut Drive... it's the only place where the Cascades touch the Pacific Ocean, nice rock outcroppings, definetly not a high speed road. Pictures to follow, will be at: http://fotomeister.us/2010/12-Dec-31-Chuckanut-Drive/ALL.html the TDI is getting decent mileage from a quick guess... have around 400 miles on it so far and just at 1/2 tank, that should put it in the high 40's, low 50's... this is combined, heavy city (Seattle) traffic, rural and a little on I-5/405, been shifting around 2,200 rpm and keeping my foot out of the injection pump... stabbed it once or twice on I-5... oh man does that 11mm pump pull hard in 5th gear at 60 to 70 mph... it'll jump to 80 mpg quickly... pulled the grade out of Mt.Vernon on I-5 at 70 in cruise control in 5th gear... my 300D has to work up that grade... the WJ loafs up it of course... even pulling a trailer... got to love that 4.7L V8... haven't decided on tomorrow's adventure yet... taking it one day at a time... :) oh yeah, managed to have a piece of Popeye's chicken in Burlington, then goofed off on the back roads up to Bellingham, and then had a Boomer's burger before heading back down I-5. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # trying to mount my spider spikes, they came without all # the hardware, have the compression nuts for the lug nuts # but the bolts are a bit too short to secure the plate. # # I picked up some longer ones and some nylon bushings to hold # the plate out... # # QUESTION, should the plate actually touch the rim or is it ok # for that locking plate to stand off of the rim? I am # using 5 bolts/5 lug nuts. # # thanx, # john # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:45:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:23:43 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] spider spikes question John, Try this, http://www.spikes-spiders.com/parts/ looks like just north of a hundred for a set up per car, or you can get what parts you are missing. We used to sell them at Schucks, but since they are not distributed through Laclede, we no longer have access to them. Paul. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "undisclosed-recipients:" Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] spider spikes question > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, dave wrote: > # UHHH John, you were supposed to tell us! lol > # later, > # dave AKA vwdoc1 > > before or after the damage is done and I have to rebuild it, > or find the pieces as they scatter all over town? :) > > got one response, Michel thought it was ok to stand off... will check > with a mechanical engineer friend... I have to buy 10 bolts, spacers > and washers... already spent $70 on the little lug nut clamp things. > stopped at one tire shop, they weren't much help, but said they will > special order them in and they work well, but they're spendy... close to > $500, > I picked these up barely used, albeit missing a few bits, for $100 from > a guy selling a car with the same size tires. What's nice is that these > will work on my '03 Jetta and my '91 300D, same size tires... of course > I'll have to move the mounting flanges, or scare up another set... > > thankfully I have the WJ if it should snow, > but while cold the next event is rain in a few days... > sure the tabs are expired and I couldn't find any place that would > take my money... but it did pass emissions now that I replaced the cap. > :) > > seems like we mention something might happen, and it does... > > tonight we were moving vehicles around in the drive, my son > didn't want to start his benz so he told me to push it, I said > no way, I'll hurt my back (again), so he starts pushing > (instead of starting it) and I say, look out for the trailer canopy... > you're heading right ... crunch... for it... > > well, no damage to my canopy (original J10 dealer option), but there > is a new racing stripe/indent on his '85 300d... > > so I'm wondering, if I mention winning the lottery will it work > with a lottery ticket? ;) (yeah, right. ;) > > I did put the WJ back in the carport, although I had delusions of washing > it > first... > > went for a drive up along the sound from US 20 by Anacortes up to 11 and > along the Chuckanut Drive... it's the only place where the Cascades touch > the Pacific Ocean, nice rock outcroppings, definetly not a high speed > road. > Pictures to follow, will be at: > http://fotomeister.us/2010/12-Dec-31-Chuckanut-Drive/ALL.html > > the TDI is getting decent mileage from a quick guess... have around 400 > miles > on it so far and just at 1/2 tank, that should put it in the high 40's, > low > 50's... this is combined, heavy city (Seattle) traffic, rural and a little > on I-5/405, > been shifting around 2,200 rpm and keeping my foot out of the injection > pump... stabbed it once or twice on I-5... oh man does that 11mm pump pull > hard in 5th gear at 60 to 70 mph... it'll jump to 80 mpg quickly... pulled > the > grade out of Mt.Vernon on I-5 at 70 in cruise control in 5th gear... my > 300D > has to work up that grade... the WJ loafs up it of course... even pulling > a trailer... > got to love that 4.7L V8... > > haven't decided on tomorrow's adventure yet... taking it one day at a > time... :) > > oh yeah, managed to have a piece of Popeye's chicken in Burlington, then > goofed > off on the back roads up to Bellingham, and then had a Boomer's burger > before > heading back down I-5. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > # trying to mount my spider spikes, they came without all > # the hardware, have the compression nuts for the lug nuts > # but the bolts are a bit too short to secure the plate. > # > # I picked up some longer ones and some nylon bushings to hold > # the plate out... > # > # QUESTION, should the plate actually touch the rim or is it ok > # for that locking plate to stand off of the rim? I am > # using 5 bolts/5 lug nuts. > # > # thanx, > # john > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 02:51:00 +0000 From: dieseljohn@comcast.net Subject: [db] Fw: spider spike install question Got my answer. :) You don't mount the hubs close to the rim.. The hubs have to be mounted so they are out just past the plane of the tire if you put a straight edge across the face of the tire, so the traction device locking ring clicks in easily when you put the actual traction device on the tire. - ------Original Message------ From: Info Spikes-Spider Sender: focheskey@gmail.com To: Fotomeister Subject: Re: spider spike install question Sent: Jan 1, 2011 13:44 You don't mount the hubs close to the rim.. The hubs have to be mounted so they are out just past the plane of the tire if you put a straight edge across the face of the tire, so the traction device locking ring clicks in easily when you put the actual traction device on the tire. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, john wrote: when mounting the steel plate to the rim, does it have to touch the rim, or can it stand off of it slightly? I'm trying to get the correct spacing but can not determine from your literature if it needs to touch the rim or not. I am using it with 5 lugs so there will be plenty of mounting support, just need to verify if it should be flat against the rim or not... preferably not, don't want to scar up my alloy wheels if I don't have to. thanx, john -- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3368 **********************************