From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Feb 1 08:22:04 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, February 1 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3386 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] and the average is... Re: [db] '87 190D 2.5 [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available Re: [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available [db] pictures Re: [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available Re: [db] pictures Re: [db] pictures [db] administrivia: notes on using this list [db] popcorn alert: possible fleet change Re: [db] pictures Re: [db] pictures Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] and the average is... 38.59 mpg... feel it should do better than that... especially since 30% of the last tank was freeway with the cruise on... 41.24, 35.66 and 38.87 - last three tanks... my 300D would have gotten at least 30 mpg... is it worth shifting for 8 mpg? ;) the 190D with the 2.5 will do around 32 from reports and extrapolations... so 6mpg... suspect the TDI will do better on the freeway though... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 03:14:24 +0000 From: dieseljohn@comcast.net Subject: Re: [db] '87 190D 2.5 The na fender is only 59 bucks. :) - ------Original Message------ From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: Michael Frank To: dbl ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [db] '87 190D 2.5 Sent: Jan 31, 2011 18:31 Ouch The sheet metal is $233.10 http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=192 - -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Frank >Sent: Jan 31, 2011 9:05 PM >To: diesel-benz list >Subject: Re: [db] '87 190D 2.5 > >I don't know about that. Maybe you could fit a few portholes from a Buick. > >MIke Frank > >At 08:49 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: >>I would just mask the area and drill evenly spaced holes;-) >>in the fender - problem solved. john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:31:10 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available i don't think there are any list members in the Albany NY area who would want this, but it's worth a shot: 1996 E300D (W210) parts car available. some rust on body, seized engine. definitely for parts. make offer. richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:03:54 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available so, we should avoid '96 - '01 ? :) john On 01/31/2011 07:31 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > i don't think there are any list members in the Albany NY area who > would want this, but it's worth a shot: > > 1996 E300D (W210) parts car available. > some rust on body, seized engine. definitely for parts. > > make offer. > > richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] pictures scaled to 98% http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/all.html full size http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/ALL.html thoughts? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:17:52 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: Re: [db] 1996 W210 E300D parts car available On 1/31/11 11:03 PM, john wrote: > so, we should avoid '96 - '01 ? :) >> 1996 E300D (W210) parts car available. >> some rust on body, seized engine. definitely for parts. >> well, it's one of those things. this was that incredibly cold morning we had last week, the temp got down to -15F (we count it rather cold here when it gets to -10 at night, late january/early february temps). the social director started the car up at around 5am to go to work, and got about 1/2 mile down the road when it stalled. she got it restarted, and it stalled immediately. it never started again. the shop put a wrench on the crank and they couldn't turn it. the materials-PhD/auto enthusiast brother-in-law is guessing broken crank. we have little interest in spending time diagnosing it, it's done regardless of the actual cause. richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:29:00 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] pictures The west coast is so easy on cars. Mine is just like that, except for the rust. Mike Frank At 11:30 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: >thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] pictures I think the climate has a lot to do with it, even with out salt... the humid continental climate that covers the midwest and east coast is likely the biggest culprit, high humidity and warm weather... we have high humidity, but not warm weather... when it gets warm it's dry. I think I've experienced about two hot and muggy days here in over 25 years... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Michael Frank wrote: # The west coast is so easy on cars. Mine is just like that, except for the # rust. # # Mike Frank # # # At 11:30 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote: # >thoughts? # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:45:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:20:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] popcorn alert: possible fleet change popcorn ready? ...found an '87 190D with a 2.5L Diesel (not a turbo), going to test drive it tomorrow... it may replace the Jetta TDI... we'll see... it's old and not as refined as the Jetta, but it is the same color as my '91 300D and an automatic, and will get 32-35 in town, while the Jetta is a stick and gets mid-upper 30's and sometimes 40 in town... for six mpg I'll take the automatic and no timing belt. :) my '91 300d gets 30 in town, the '87 190D is listed as getting 2mpg more when comparing all data. So I'm figuring 32 mpg on my commute. the '03 Jetta has averaged 35 mpg since I've had it, and about 38 over the last three tanks, ergo, 6 mpg difference... and the liability of a rubber band and an electronically controlled engine that doesn't care for BioDiesel... the Jetta has a LOT of nice features though... and it's relatively new... this will be a tough decision, or maybe not, tomorrow, we'll see. :) I also found another '86 190D that has issues with a good 2.5L Diesel... I may be able to sell my extra SD33T to buy it and then try to fit that into an XJ... but that's another batch of popcorn and a long way off... :) pictures: - ----------- 190D: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/all.html JETTA: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/2003-VW-Jetta-TDI/ALL.html 300D: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/91-300d-2.5L/ALL.html WJ: http://wagoneers.com/WJ/99WJ-pix-MtBaker-Sep07/ J10 (before): http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Best-of-SuperDawg/ dimensions: - ----------- LENGTH/WB vehicle WB - length - Width mpg ======================================================= Jetta Wagon - 2003 98.9 172.3 68.3 36-45 (1.9L TDI) 201 - 190D (1987) 104.9 175.0 66.1 32-38 (2.5L) 1999 WJ -Grand Cherokee 105.9 181.5 72.3 15-21 (4.7L V8) 124 - 300D (1991) 110.0 186.6 68.5 30-36 (2.5L TD) 1983 J10 Stepside (SJ) 118.8 194.0 78.9 20-24 (SD33T) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:17:05 -0500 From: John Stanton Subject: Re: [db] pictures John She looks good! Check the usual especially the climate control. Mine gets water on the inside of trunk lid not sure if typical but worth checking for damage What's asking price, if you don't mind "john" wrote: >scaled to 98% >http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/all.html > >full size >http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/ALL.html > > >thoughts? > >john > > > ----- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:05:07 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] pictures The water on your trunk lid is a bad trunk lid seal and/or clogged drain holes in the bottoms of the fender wells. Or even a bad rear window seal. Also could be condensation on the lid, does it have any covering like on a 124? Craigslist asking price is 2950 and it has around 285k on it. Will be checking the a/c and heat, problem is it's likely to be in the upper 30s, low 40s this afternoon. - ------Original Message------ From: John Stanton To: J To: dbl Subject: Re: [db] pictures Sent: Feb 1, 2011 04:17 John She looks good! Check the usual especially the climate control. Mine gets water on the inside of trunk lid not sure if typical but worth checking for damage What's asking price, if you don't mind "john" wrote: >scaled to 98% >http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/all.html > >full size >http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/ALL.html > > >thoughts? > >john > > > ----- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3386 **********************************