From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Feb 1 13:48:24 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, February 1 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3388 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel I don't recall anyone saying it was a new idea, just a new design... I didn't pay attention enough to the interview to note if they mentioned anything about where it came from. thanx for the links... it's interesting to note that they were still working on issues related to lubrication and cooling... your note about the sub use may be related to the question the interviewer asked about whether this would be ancillary power or primary... good catch. makes me curious about the boxer Diesels used in Subaru's. only two more hours before I give a 2.5L I-5 a test run... :) keep the popcorn fresh. still amazed that Rudolf's original engine was that efficient, and it was run on veggie oil too... :) 26.2%... amazing design... love my Diesels. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Potter, Tom E wrote: # The opposed piston engine is not new. Fairbanks-Morse produced one in the 1930s, which is still in production. The Navy used it in submarines and other craft. I heard it was used as a generator on some of the nuclear ships. # # http://www.fairbanksmorse.com/engine_opposed_piston_model_38.php # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposed-piston_engine # # Thomas E. Potter # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM # Subject: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel # # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder # # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run other fuels as well... # # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, # (and gas stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says the guy with no eyebrows... ;) # # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was 26.2% efficient? Modern fuel injected gasoline engines # have not achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the world runs on Diesel and idiotic and ignorant # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of using a more environment friendly Diesel fuel, which # as any one who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns that it is biodegradeable... :) # # # # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% efficient. # # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are able to reach an efficiency of about 40% # in the engine speed range of idle to about 1,800 rpm. Beyond this speed, efficiency begins to decline due # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why my TDI will get over 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) # # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency # # # # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 # # HOW IT ALL STARTED # --------------------- # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a baby boy and they named him # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 Imperial German Patent #67207 # was issued for an internal combustion engine using compression ignition. # # On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced 13.1kw of power during a # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% efficient! This was a # significant milestone in engine technology. During that time a steam engine was # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent #542,846 was issued on # the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and potential Rudolf and his # business enterprise was in serious financial straits and on September 29, 1913 # while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself into the frigid waters. # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his invention became # immensly popular and continues to be popular even today. # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel He lives right in your back yard, why haven't you run him up for a chat?!?! :D Jim - --- On Tue, 2/1/11, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel > To: > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 1:57 PM > I can see one sitting in the middle > of a frame longitutidnally (did I spell that right, > meaning long-wise) with the crank output going to a > transmission/differential splitting the power > to both (live) axles... low center of gravity, nice > balance of power, mass in the center > and low... could nestle it nicely in the frame, low enough > for a low floor yet high enough > for off-road clearance and even set it all up on a pivot > arm to drop down for maintenance and > service... been thinking about a similar design for > years... a true mid-engine 4x4 configuration. > > if only I had bill gates funding my research... :) > > > john > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, dave wrote: > > # Interesting OPOC engine that even Bill Gates is > investing in. > # > # It looks like a very long engine but I guess I would > have to see it in > # person. > # > # > # > # later, > # > # dave AKA vwdoc1 > # > # > # > # _____ > # > # From: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf > # Of john > # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM > # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # Subject: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel > # > # > # > # > # > # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder > # > # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run > other fuels as well... > # > # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, > # (and gas stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says > the guy with no > # eyebrows... ;) > # > # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was 26.2% > efficient? Modern > # fuel injected gasoline engines > # have not achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the > world runs on Diesel > # and idiotic and ignorant > # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of > using a more > # environment friendly Diesel fuel, which > # as any one who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns > that it is > # biodegradeable... :) > # > # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% > efficient. > # > # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are > able to reach an > # efficiency of about 40% > # in the engine speed range of idle to about 1,800 rpm. > Beyond this speed, > # efficiency begins to decline due > # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why > my TDI will get over > # 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) > # > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency > # > # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 > # > # HOW IT ALL STARTED > # - --------------------- > # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a > baby boy and they named > # him > # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 > Imperial German Patent > # #67207 > # was issued for an internal combustion engine using > compression ignition. > # > # On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced > 13.1kw of power during > # a > # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% > efficient! This was a > # significant milestone in engine technology. During that > time a steam engine > # was > # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent > #542,846 was issued > # on > # the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and > potential Rudolf and his > # business enterprise was in serious financial straits and > on September 29, > # 1913 > # while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself > into the frigid > # waters. > # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his > invention became > # immensly popular and continues to be popular even > today. > # > # ----- > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > si vis pacem, para bellum > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > # _____ > # > # size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" > align=center> > # > # No virus found in this message. > # Checked by AVG - - www.avg.com > # Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3416 - Release > Date: 02/01/11 > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel well, I won't be visiting him as much now, they're going to make that a toll bridge by his house... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Jim Hoffman wrote: # He lives right in your back yard, why haven't you run him up for a # chat?!?! # :D # # Jim # # --- On Tue, 2/1/11, john wrote: # # > From: john # # > Subject: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC # Diesel # > To: # > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 1:57 PM # > I can see one # sitting in the middle # > of a frame longitutidnally (did I spell that right, # > # meaning long-wise) with the crank output going to a # > # transmission/differential splitting the power # > to both (live) axles... low # center of gravity, nice # > balance of power, mass in the center # > and low... # could nestle it nicely in the frame, low enough # > for a low floor yet high # enough # > for off-road clearance and even set it all up on a pivot # > arm to # drop down for maintenance and # > service... been thinking about a similar # design for # > years... a true mid-engine 4x4 configuration. # > # > if only I had # bill gates funding my research... :) # > # > # > john # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > si vis pacem, para bellum # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, dave wrote: # > # > # Interesting OPOC engine that even # Bill Gates is # > investing in. # > # # > # It looks like a very long engine # but I guess I would # > have to see it in # > # person. # > # # > # # > # # > # # later, # > # # > # dave AKA vwdoc1 # > # # > # # > # # > # _____ # > # # > # # From: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com # > [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] # > On Behalf # > # Of john # > # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM # > # To: # undisclosed-recipients: # > # Subject: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder # > # # > # # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run # > other fuels as well... # > # # > # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, # > # (and gas # stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says # > the guy with no # > # # eyebrows... ;) # > # # > # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was # 26.2% # > efficient? Modern # > # fuel injected gasoline engines # > # have not # achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the # > world runs on Diesel # > # and # idiotic and ignorant # > # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of # > using a more # > # environment friendly Diesel fuel, which # > # as any one # who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns # > that it is # > # biodegradeable... # :) # > # # > # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% # > efficient. # > # # > # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are # > able to # reach an # > # efficiency of about 40% # > # in the engine speed range of idle # to about 1,800 rpm. # > Beyond this speed, # > # efficiency begins to decline due # > # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why # > my TDI will get # over # > # 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) # > # # > # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency # > # # > # Rudolf Christian # Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 # > # # > # HOW IT ALL STARTED # > # # --------------------- # > # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had # a # > baby boy and they named # > # him # > # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On # February 28, 1892 # > Imperial German Patent # > # #67207 # > # was issued for an # internal combustion engine using # > compression ignition. # > # # > # On # Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced # > 13.1kw of power during # > # # a # > # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% # > efficient! # This was a # > # significant milestone in engine technology. During that # > # time a steam engine # > # was # > # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, # 1895 US Patent # > #542,846 was issued # > # on # > # the Diesel Engine. In spite # of it's efficiency and # > potential Rudolf and his # > # business enterprise # was in serious financial straits and # > on September 29, # > # 1913 # > # while # crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself # > into the frigid # > # # waters. # > # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his # > # invention became # > # immensly popular and continues to be popular even # > # today. # > # # > # ----- # > # # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, # Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, # > they mold # > # # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > si vis pacem, para bellum # > # # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # # > # ---------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # # > # # > # # _____ # > # # > # size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" # > # align=center> # > # # > # No virus found in this message. # > # Checked by AVG # - www.avg.com # > # Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3416 - Release # > # Date: 02/01/11 # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:30:37 -0800 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel He (Bill Gates) is coming here (Harvey Mudd College) in March. I am thinking I'll skip the talk so that I am not tempted to hurl the 32 windows 95 install floppies at him one at a time. Eric Ditwiler Director, Academic Operations Harvey Mudd College 909-607-3134 On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:44 PM, john wrote: > well, I won't be visiting him as much now, they're going to make > that a toll bridge by his house... ;) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # He lives right in your back yard, why haven't you run him up for a > # chat?!?! > # :D > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Tue, 2/1/11, john wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > # > Subject: [db] RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC > # Diesel > # > To: > # > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 1:57 PM > # > I can see one > # sitting in the middle > # > of a frame longitutidnally (did I spell that right, > # > > # meaning long-wise) with the crank output going to a > # > > # transmission/differential splitting the power > # > to both (live) axles... low > # center of gravity, nice > # > balance of power, mass in the center > # > and low... > # could nestle it nicely in the frame, low enough > # > for a low floor yet high > # enough > # > for off-road clearance and even set it all up on a pivot > # > arm to > # drop down for maintenance and > # > service... been thinking about a similar > # design for > # > years... a true mid-engine 4x4 configuration. > # > > # > if only I had > # bill gates funding my research... :) > # > > # > > # > john > # > ----- > # > > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > si vis pacem, para bellum > # > > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, dave wrote: > # > > # > # Interesting OPOC engine that even > # Bill Gates is > # > investing in. > # > # > # > # It looks like a very long engine > # but I guess I would > # > have to see it in > # > # person. > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # later, > # > # > # > # dave AKA vwdoc1 > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # _____ > # > # > # > # > # From: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com > # > [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] > # > On Behalf > # > # Of john > # > # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM > # > # To: > # undisclosed-recipients: > # > # Subject: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder > # > # > # > # > # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run > # > other fuels as well... > # > # > # > # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, > # > # (and gas > # stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says > # > the guy with no > # > # > # eyebrows... ;) > # > # > # > # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was > # 26.2% > # > efficient? Modern > # > # fuel injected gasoline engines > # > # have not > # achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the > # > world runs on Diesel > # > # and > # idiotic and ignorant > # > # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of > # > using a more > # > # environment friendly Diesel fuel, which > # > # as any one > # who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns > # > that it is > # > # biodegradeable... > # :) > # > # > # > # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% > # > efficient. > # > # > # > # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are > # > able to > # reach an > # > # efficiency of about 40% > # > # in the engine speed range of idle > # to about 1,800 rpm. > # > Beyond this speed, > # > # efficiency begins to decline due > # > # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why > # > my TDI will get > # over > # > # 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) > # > # > # > # > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency > # > # > # > # Rudolf Christian > # Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 > # > # > # > # HOW IT ALL STARTED > # > # > # --------------------- > # > # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had > # a > # > baby boy and they named > # > # him > # > # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On > # February 28, 1892 > # > Imperial German Patent > # > # #67207 > # > # was issued for an > # internal combustion engine using > # > compression ignition. > # > # > # > # On > # Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced > # > 13.1kw of power during > # > > # # a > # > # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% > # > efficient! > # This was a > # > # significant milestone in engine technology. During that > # > > # time a steam engine > # > # was > # > # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, > # 1895 US Patent > # > #542,846 was issued > # > # on > # > # the Diesel Engine. In spite > # of it's efficiency and > # > potential Rudolf and his > # > # business enterprise > # was in serious financial straits and > # > on September 29, > # > # 1913 > # > # while > # crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself > # > into the frigid > # > # > # waters. > # > # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his > # > > # invention became > # > # immensly popular and continues to be popular even > # > > # today. > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # > # > > # ---------------------------------------------------------- > # > # Snohomish, > # Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > # > they mold > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > si vis pacem, para bellum > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > # > # > > # ---------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > > # # _____ > # > # > # > # size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" > # > > # align=center> > # > # > # > # No virus found in this message. > # > # Checked by AVG > # - www.avg.com > # > # Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3416 - Release > # > > # Date: 02/01/11 > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3388 **********************************