From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Mon Feb 28 07:44:28 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, February 28 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3403 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: COUNTER STUCK diesel-benz-digest V1 #3403 Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Re: [db] 1959 190D Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: COUNTER STUCK diesel-benz-digest V1 #3403 richard, the digest counter is stuck at 3403. this is the 3rd one. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, diesel-benz-digest wrote: # # diesel-benz-digest Sunday, February 27 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3403 # # # # Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles # Derick Amburgey # Digest Coordinator # # Contents: # # [db] TWO - diesel-benz-digest V1 #3403 - ERROR # Re: [db] TWO - diesel-benz-digest V1 #3403 - ERROR # Re: [db] mercedes Diesels - years to avoid? # [db] 1959 190D # Re: [db] mercedes Diesels - years to avoid? # Re: [db] mercedes Diesels - years to avoid? # [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting # [db] Re: 190DT Vacuum hose hunting # Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting # Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting # Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting # [db] sunday afternoon adventure # Re: [db] 1959 190D # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:11:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting Sorry all did not know that attachments where not accepted. I uploaded to a site I manage. http://theneiya.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/190dt_vacuum_junction1.jpg - -----Original Message----- >From: john >Sent: Feb 27, 2011 3:13 PM >To: Michael Frank , owner-diesel-benz@digest.net, dbl >Subject: Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting > >The list doesn't allow attachments. They'll have to be posted some where and shared as links. I can post it in my dieselbenz tech section. Send directly to john at wagoneers dot com. I've move the dieselbenz stuff to johnmeister dot com but there are links from wagoneers over. Just different directories and virtual apache servers on the same box. :) >------Original Message------ >From: Michael Frank >Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net >To: dbl >Subject: Re: [db] 190DT Vacuum hose hunting >Sent: Feb 27, 2011 11:52 > >FWIW, I've always found that hard shifts were the result of a vacuum >leak literally anywhere in the engine compartment. Best way to locate >the leak is to start at the vacuum pump. There is a three way right >after the pump. Remove a line, plug the connector. See if the problem >goes away. If it does, the problem is on that line. Etc. > >The doors are controlled by an electric vacuum pump under the rear >seat, not the engine vacuum pump. So you are hunting for two problems, not one. > >For some reason, I'm not getting your jpg. > >Mike Frank > > >john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] 1959 190D http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html thoughts? it didn't grab me, but it's pretty decent, a little rust on the subframe, but the suspension points are solid, and so is most of the floor pan. a little patching and this thing will be fine for another 52 years... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:05:14 -0600 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Great! That's about how long it will take to reach 60mph. ;-) Alec Sent from my iPhone. On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:16 PM, john wrote: > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html > > > thoughts? > > it didn't grab me, but it's pretty decent, a little rust on the > subframe, but > the suspension points are solid, and so is most of the floor pan. a > little patching > and this thing will be fine for another 52 years... :) > > john > > > > ----- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:16:36 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Nice project, I think that bottle of color magic wax in the trunk may be overmatched by the paint issues. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "diesel-benz list" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:16 PM Subject: [db] 1959 190D > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html > > > thoughts? > > it didn't grab me, but it's pretty decent, a little rust on the subframe, > but > the suspension points are solid, and so is most of the floor pan. a > little patching > and this thing will be fine for another 52 years... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D now that's funny... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Alec Cordova wrote: # Great! That's about how long it will take to reach 60mph. ;-) # # Alec # # Sent from my iPhone. # # On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:16 PM, john wrote: # # >http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html # > # > # >thoughts? # > # >it didn't grab me, but it's pretty decent, a little rust on the subframe, # >but # >the suspension points are solid, and so is most of the floor pan. a little # >patching # >and this thing will be fine for another 52 years... :) # > # >john # > # > # > # > ----- # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # >http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D yeah, I kind of that that particular product might not help much... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Paul Masterson wrote: # Nice project, I think that bottle of color magic wax in the trunk may be # overmatched by the paint issues. # # # # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: "diesel-benz list" # Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:16 PM # Subject: [db] 1959 190D # # # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html # > # > # > thoughts? # > # > it didn't grab me, but it's pretty decent, a little rust on the subframe, # > but # > the suspension points are solid, and so is most of the floor pan. a little # > patching # > and this thing will be fine for another 52 years... :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 05:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html *** What a cutie! I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas station. Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart enough to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage and condition. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:41:45 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D +1 @ run away, its one thing swopping out big dirty diesels but crusty subframes.. * shudder * On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html > *** What a cutie! > > I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, > that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas > station. > > Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. > Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart > enough > to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. > Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical > restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage > and condition. > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:05:06 -0600 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Agreed. The pontons were great for their time, and even for some time after, but that one looks like at least a project and a half, and it gets you at best an interesting vehicle with almost no modern functionality. Even the gasket in the speedometer needs to be replaced. You should consider this scene played out. I'll get some more popcorn while I wait for the next scene. Alec On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Stephen Rigley wrote: > +1 @ run away, its one thing swopping out big dirty diesels but crusty > subframes.. * shudder * > > > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > >> > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html >> *** What a cutie! >> >> I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, >> that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas >> station. >> >> Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. >> Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart >> enough >> to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. >> Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical >> restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage >> and condition. >> >> - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:17:17 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Fear not, it won't follow me home. ;) - ------Original Message------ From: Jerry Kaidor To: J Cc: dbl ReplyTo: jerry@tr2.com Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Sent: Feb 28, 2011 05:47 > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html *** What a cutie! I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas station. Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart enough to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage and condition. - Jerry john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:23:30 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D My interest was more to photograph than acquire. That rust was a problem but with limited use it could be patched well enough. john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: Alec Cordova Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:05:06 To: Diesel-Benz List Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Agreed. The pontons were great for their time, and even for some time after, but that one looks like at least a project and a half, and it gets you at best an interesting vehicle with almost no modern functionality. Even the gasket in the speedometer needs to be replaced. You should consider this scene played out. I'll get some more popcorn while I wait for the next scene. Alec On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Stephen Rigley wrote: > +1 @ run away, its one thing swopping out big dirty diesels but crusty > subframes.. * shudder * > > > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > >> > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html >> *** What a cutie! >> >> I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, >> that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas >> station. >> >> Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. >> Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart >> enough >> to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. >> Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical >> restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage >> and condition. >> >> - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:24:14 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D if it did.. I wonder would the shell sit on a circa-'88 2.5 190D ;-) popcorn is on! On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM, john wrote: > Fear not, it won't follow me home. ;) > ------Original Message------ > From: Jerry Kaidor > To: J > Cc: dbl > ReplyTo: jerry@tr2.com > Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D > Sent: Feb 28, 2011 05:47 > > > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html > *** What a cutie! > > I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, > that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas > station. > > Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. > Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart > enough > to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. > Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical > restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage > and condition. > > - Jerry > > > > > > john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:34:20 -0600 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D That's just mean to suggest. John is working so hard to fight crazy temptations, and you come up with an idea like that. Shame on you. I think I need to buy a bigger box of popcorn. Alec On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Stephen Rigley wrote: > if it did.. I wonder would the shell sit on a circa-'88 2.5 190D ;-) > > popcorn is on! > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM, john wrote: > >> Fear not, it won't follow me home. ;) >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Jerry Kaidor >> To: J >> Cc: dbl >> ReplyTo: jerry@tr2.com >> Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D >> Sent: Feb 28, 2011 05:47 >> >> > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html >> *** What a cutie! >> >> I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, >> that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas >> station. >> >> Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. >> Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart >> enough >> to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. >> Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical >> restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage >> and condition. >> >> - Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:41:32 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D It's 500 bucks, will meet you at the airport. ;) - ------Original Message------ From: Alec Cordova To: Stephen Rigley Cc: J Cc: john Cc: jerry@tr2.com Cc: dbl Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D Sent: Feb 28, 2011 07:34 That's just mean to suggest. John is working so hard to fight crazy temptations, and you come up with an idea like that. Shame on you. I think I need to buy a bigger box of popcorn. Alec On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Stephen Rigley wrote: > if it did.. I wonder would the shell sit on a circa-'88 2.5 190D ;-) > > popcorn is on! > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM, john wrote: > >> Fear not, it won't follow me home. ;) >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Jerry Kaidor >> To: J >> Cc: dbl >> ReplyTo: jerry@tr2.com >> Subject: Re: [db] 1959 190D >> Sent: Feb 28, 2011 05:47 >> >> > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1959-190D/ALL.html >> *** What a cutie! >> >> I think I actually replaced a starter motor on one of these. Wait, >> that was the gasser version. Back when I was wrenching down at the gas >> station. >> >> Don't walk away, RUN. You'll spend much more money than it's worth. >> Big bucks to turn this into a decent car. By the time you get it apart >> enough >> to fix the underbody rust, you'll be into it for a new interior for sure. >> Then a new paint job. New exhaust system. And no doubt a full mechanical >> restoration. I've been there, done that - with cars of similar vintage >> and condition. >> >> - Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> john at http://wagoneers.com > john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3403 **********************************