From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Thu Mar 17 15:35:37 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, March 17 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3412 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3411 [db] Re: shadowfax on death bed Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... [db] Re: [WJ-Grand] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:58:54 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3411 John, You wrote: < 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild it...> If it needs to be rebuilt this is the perfect time to put in a 6 cylinder with a 5-speed manual. M-B does not have a periodicity for replacing the timing chain on their diesels. On my W123, procedure is to check the tension on the timing chain when adjusting the valves annually. Did that, and the chain broke at 312,000 miles sending the car to an early death. I have 279,000 miles on my 1991 W124 and I am planning on replacing the timing chain sometime in the next year. Better sooner, rather than later. Cheers, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:09:29 +0000 From: john Subject: [db] Re: shadowfax on death bed Easy to check, will open the oil cap and watch when cranking, but I don't think that is it, my son got it started once. It's cranking slowly. 0 oil pressure was noted by my wife when it quit, but that isn't helpful, unless she was watching it before. No manual transmissions. Wife can't and I shouldn't with my army injury. We'll see. Going back after rush hour. - ------Original Message------ From: Nick Eckert To: dbl Cc: J Subject: RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3411 Sent: Mar 17, 2011 14:58 John, You wrote: < 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild it...> If it needs to be rebuilt this is the perfect time to put in a 6 cylinder with a 5-speed manual. M-B does not have a periodicity for replacing the timing chain on their diesels. On my W123, procedure is to check the tension on the timing chain when adjusting the valves annually. Did that, and the chain broke at 312,000 miles sending the car to an early death. I have 279,000 miles on my 1991 W124 and I am planning on replacing the timing chain sometime in the next year. Better sooner, rather than later. Cheers, Nick john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the process, hence slow cranking. If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it apart? Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... (???) stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab and got her call... my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we pulled it off the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of the 300d and left it. going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's radiator has shown signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, or was) and pulled it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, at least I know now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the rad... not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit very slowly... definitely not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good thing. My son was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died again... had oil analysis done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild it... not sure what we're going to do yet... other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:25:05 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... It's running amsoil so the bearings are probably fine, the rings probably swelled with heat and caused it to seize, but not completely. Heard of stories like this before, if it was the oil pump and I fix it it will likely be ok. We'll see. john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 To: Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the process, hence slow cranking. If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it apart? Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... (???) stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab and got her call... my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we pulled it off the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of the 300d and left it. going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's radiator has shown signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, or was) and pulled it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, at least I know now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the rad... not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit very slowly... definitely not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good thing. My son was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died again... had oil analysis done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild it... not sure what we're going to do yet... other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:58 -0500 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... If it was the oil pump and you fix it and it comes out OK, I'll be mighty impressed with that amsoil stuff. I'll light some popcorn-scented candles when I get home. Good luck, Alec On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, john wrote: > It's running amsoil so the bearings are probably fine, the rings probably swelled with heat and caused it to seize, but not completely. Heard of stories like this before, if it was the oil pump and I fix it it will likely be ok. > > We'll see. > john at http://wagoneers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 > To: > Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > WJ... > > Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil > pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the > process, hence slow cranking. > > If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the > bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it > apart? > > Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you > want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! > > Jason > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: john > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) > > wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... > she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... > funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... > (???) > > stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab > and got her call... > > my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we > pulled it off > the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of > the 300d and left it. > > going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's > radiator has shown > signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, > or was) and pulled > it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, > at least I know > now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the > rad... > > not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit > very slowly... definitely > not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good > thing. My son > was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died > again... had oil analysis > done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. > > 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds > with new engines > around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is > worth a try, not > sure I want to rebuild it... > > not sure what we're going to do yet... > > other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ > :( > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:33:14 +0000 From: john Subject: [db] Re: [WJ-Grand] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Stranger things have happened. Glad I didn't sell the wj on tuesday. ;) Got an offer on my dump trailer, might be enough to buy a used J10 pickup. :) This failure may have a cascading effect and I'll change out the entire fleet this weekend. :) Not sure my wife will trust the '91 300d after this. She's talking about owning a car with less than 100K. That means a car payment may be in our future. :( john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: "dave" Sender: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:17 To: Reply-To: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [WJ-Grand] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Well you might get away with just changing out the oil pump.fingers crossed! So is the WJ going to earn its keep? later, dave AKA vwdoc1 _____ From: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:20 PM I think the leak is intermittent, coolant level good, just leaks every now and then. The oil pump is a likely suspect. john at http://wagoneers.com _____ From: "dave" Sender: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:17:54 -0500 To: ReplyTo: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [WJ-Grand] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Sorry to hear that! ;-( TG you still have both the WJ and the TDI. Are those MB engines known for shearing oil pump drives? I know nothing about them! <;-( I would prefer rebuilding what you have than trusting something you don't know! Is the radiator leak too much right now? Can it still handle towing that MB back or is it tow truck time? Good luck! later, dave AKA vwdoc1 _____ From: WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:48 PM wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... (???) stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab and got her call... my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we pulled it off the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of the 300d and left it. going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's radiator has shown signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, or was) and pulled it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, at least I know now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the rad... not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit very slowly... definitely not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good thing. My son was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died again... had oil analysis done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild it... not sure what we're going to do yet... other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ :( john _____ size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3512 - Release Date: 03/17/11 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:35:27 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Since it wasn't making horrible rattling noises, turns over slowly and died slowly expanded rings due to heat seems probable. john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: Alec Cordova Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:58 To: Cc: dbl Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... If it was the oil pump and you fix it and it comes out OK, I'll be mighty impressed with that amsoil stuff. I'll light some popcorn-scented candles when I get home. Good luck, Alec On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, john wrote: > It's running amsoil so the bearings are probably fine, the rings probably swelled with heat and caused it to seize, but not completely. Heard of stories like this before, if it was the oil pump and I fix it it will likely be ok. > > We'll see. > john at http://wagoneers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 > To: > Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > WJ... > > Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil > pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the > process, hence slow cranking. > > If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the > bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it > apart? > > Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you > want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! > > Jason > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: john > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) > > wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... > she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... > funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... > (???) > > stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab > and got her call... > > my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we > pulled it off > the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of > the 300d and left it. > > going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's > radiator has shown > signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, > or was) and pulled > it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, > at least I know > now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the > rad... > > not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit > very slowly... definitely > not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good > thing. My son > was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died > again... had oil analysis > done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. > > 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds > with new engines > around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is > worth a try, not > sure I want to rebuild it... > > not sure what we're going to do yet... > > other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ > :( > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. 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