From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Thu Mar 17 20:13:18 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, March 18 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3413 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Dos Benzes Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Re: [db] Dos Benzes Re: [db] Dos Benzes Re: [db] Dos Benzes RE: [db] Dos Benzes Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3411 Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:32:55 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: [db] Dos Benzes http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756230500 The first of the two. Jim take note. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:37:10 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... I'll give you that it sounds like a reasonable theory, but how does one fix it? Are you saying that the engine will loosen up once it's cooled? Pretty easy theory to test. ;D And I'm with Alec....impressin' comin' if your pump was bad and the bearings are OK. Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: "Alec Cordova" Cc: "dbl" ,"Dave" Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:35:27 +0000 Since it wasn't making horrible rattling noises, turns over slowly and died slowly expanded rings due to heat seems probable. john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: Alec Cordova Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:58 To: Cc: dbl Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... If it was the oil pump and you fix it and it comes out OK, I'll be mighty impressed with that amsoil stuff. I'll light some popcorn-scented candles when I get home. Good luck, Alec On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, john wrote: > It's running amsoil so the bearings are probably fine, the rings probably swelled with heat and caused it to seize, but not completely. Heard of stories like this before, if it was the oil pump and I fix it it will likely be ok. > > We'll see. > john at http://wagoneers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 > To: > Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > WJ... > > Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil > pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the > process, hence slow cranking. > > If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the > bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it > apart? > > Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you > want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! > > Jason > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: john > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) > > wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... > she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... > funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... > (???) > > stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab > and got her call... > > my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we > pulled it off > the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of > the 300d and left it. > > going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's > radiator has shown > signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, > or was) and pulled > it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, > at least I know > now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the > rad... > > not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit > very slowly... definitely > not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good > thing. My son > was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died > again... had oil analysis > done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. > > 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds > with new engines > around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is > worth a try, not > sure I want to rebuild it... > > not sure what we're going to do yet... > > other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ > :( > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:59:48 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes Must-not-bid-on-this-car.....not-not-not....it is only 6 hours drive north of me - no, not, not.....too many unfinished cars now..... naughty Jason! Edward On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:32:55 GMT, "jasonbassett@juno.com" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756230500 > > The first of the two. Jim take note. > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:10:36 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes There there....just wait until the second one goes up! :D Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Cc: Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:59:48 -0400 Must-not-bid-on-this-car.....not-not-not....it is only 6 hours drive north of me - no, not, not.....too many unfinished cars now..... naughty Jason! Edward On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:32:55 GMT, "jasonbassett@juno.com" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756230500 > > The first of the two. Jim take note. > > Jason ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d82bf72596421e8bf9st03vuc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:26:56 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes It's half up.....I need to fill in the description now.....trying to get the close time to be a time when normal people are still awake.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756265367&ss PageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Cc: Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:59:48 -0400 Must-not-bid-on-this-car.....not-not-not....it is only 6 hours drive north of me - no, not, not.....too many unfinished cars now..... naughty Jason! Edward On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:32:55 GMT, "jasonbassett@juno.com" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756230500 > > The first of the two. Jim take note. > > Jason ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d82c341d2f331f86a4st06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:56:53 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Dos Benzes Easier to pass by if it's still the non-turbo. whew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel- > benz@digest.net] On Behalf Of jasonbassett@juno.com > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:27 PM > To: diesel-benz@digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes > > It's half up.....I need to fill in the description now.....trying to > get the > close time to be a time when normal people are still awake.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756265 > 367&ss > PageName=STRK:MESELX:IT > > Jason > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: [db] Dos Benzes > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:59:48 -0400 > > Must-not-bid-on-this-car.....not-not-not....it is only 6 hours drive > north > of me - no, not, not.....too many unfinished cars now..... naughty > Jason! > > Edward > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:32:55 GMT, "jasonbassett@juno.com" > wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220756230 > 500 > > > > The first of the two. Jim take note. > > > > Jason > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d82c341d2f331f86a4st06vuc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... rescue of the '91 300D began around 6pm... drove down, hooked up and dragged it home on the back roads during rush hour... happy to report we were NOT a bottleneck... :) the 4.7L v8 in that WJ has plenty of happy power... suspect an oil pump issue at this point. the car looks great... I can't see parting it... but if I can't fix it for less than about $500 it's doomed... my son and I were doing the speed limit in rush hour... WJ powering along... got a little exciting going down hills, the 124 could stop both of us though, even without power assist... after getting the aged benz home and tossing it on a battery charger for a few minutes it cranked more quickly... valves ARE turning... of course there wasn't enough juice in the battery after 15 miles of 4-ways and prior cranking... it's in it's normal parking space... what's interesting is that I tried to rent a dolly, $60... but they closed 15 minutes before I called... called a tow outfit... $175 minimum!!! (to tow 15 miles!!!) called the dealer, oil pump isn't even available in Germany, $375... that tells me they don't fail... aurora auto wrecking looked for an engine... there's one in Minnesota for around $2k, typically these engines go for $1200 on up... so, we'll see... since it turns, the valves move and it didn't make horrible sounds, was running amsoil and my wife and son did not abuse it when it was dying, there's a very good likelihood of recovery. anyone in the area have a compression tester for Diesels? after I get it going will want to do a test to make sure all the rings are good... would hate to have it run away because of a broken ring a few weeks after fixing it. looks like the WJ is back in business... needs a radiator or at least leak stop... so I guess I'll be replacing it, tuning it up... used 1/4 tank of gas driving it to work once and recovering the benz... about 50 miles total... not sure what a rust free, clean '91 124 body would be worth with a dead engine... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # with a full battery? # # Does it crank faster with injectors or glow plugs removed? # # What are you thinking? Spun Bearing? # # # Eric Ditwiler # # On Mar 17, 2011, at 2:51 PM, john wrote: # # > it won't crank... turns over slowly... # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3411 timing chain checks out ok... valves are a turning... my son noted that when he had it running there was NO oil pressure and it felt weird, which means it was fighting its piston rings... no oil pumps at the dealer... this could be an interesting episode. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # You wrote: # # < 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s # 300Ds with new engines around the same mileage makes sense... not sure # if a wrecking yard engine is worth a try, not sure I want to rebuild # it...> # # # If it needs to be rebuilt this is the perfect time to put in a 6 # cylinder with a 5-speed manual. # # M-B does not have a periodicity for replacing the timing chain on their # diesels. On my W123, procedure is to check the tension on the timing # chain when adjusting the valves annually. Did that, and the chain broke # at 312,000 miles sending the car to an early death. # # I have 279,000 miles on my 1991 W124 and I am planning on replacing the # timing chain sometime in the next year. Better sooner, rather than # later. # # # Cheers, # # Nick # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... bearing will be fine, amsoil would have protected them, there were no bad sounds... the rings were having issues... once cooled down and the battery charged up a bit it's cranking nearly normal... I've actually had this happen before thinking about... with a 5.7L Olds Diesel... long story, but all the oil departed from an oil line and my wife drove it two miles with no oil... she stopped for the mail and it stalled, and wouldn't start... I came home later, it started up, drove it into the shop, fixed the oil line, refilled with amsoil and drove it another 100,000 miles... similar symptoms... but before I go selling the wonders of amsoil I guess I'll need to fix it first, won't I? ;) biggest challenge will be finding an oil pump though... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, jasonbassett@juno.com wrote: # Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure (probably the oil # pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in the # process, hence slow cranking. # # If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just redoing the # bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you have it # apart? # # Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't sure you # want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! # # Jason # # ---------- Original Message ---------- # From: john # To: undisclosed-recipients: ; # Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... # Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) # # wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... # she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... # funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal noise sort of... # (???) # # stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out of the lab # and got her call... # # my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... so we # pulled it off # the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools out of # the 300d and left it. # # going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the WJ's # radiator has shown # signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's for sale, # or was) and pulled # it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under it... well, # at least I know # now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and replace the # rad... # # not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, albeit # very slowly... definitely # not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is not a good # thing. My son # was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it died # again... had oil analysis # done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. # # 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s 300Ds # with new engines # around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard engine is # worth a try, not # sure I want to rebuild it... # # not sure what we're going to do yet... # # other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay lot$ for ga$ # :( # # john # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # ____________________________________________________________ # Groupon™ Official Site # 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! # http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3413 **********************************