From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat Mar 19 20:08:54 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, March 20 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3417 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... Re: [SPAM] [MessageLimit][lowlimit] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... [db] happy birthday Rudolf! Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... [db] snohomish monster carport upgrade Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:38:24 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... interference motors and rubber bands are a horrifically bad idea... we're dealing with a DIESEL... you can't hear a timing chain over a properly running Diesel even if it's a turbo version... I'd rather have chain noise than the noise of pistons striking valves and cracking the heads or bending rods... rubber bands are not that easy to change in the TDI... have to remove a motor mount, clamp all kinds of stuff down... not trivial. bad idea. On 03/18/2011 04:24 PM, dave wrote: > > > Usually quicker to change that rubber band though, and they are > generally quieter too! > > > > later, > > dave AKA vwdoc1 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *john > *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2011 9:59 AM > > Way better than a rubber band. > > john at http://wagoneers.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: *"dave" > > *Sender: *WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com > > *Date: *Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:31:09 -0500 > > *To: * > > *ReplyTo: *WJ-Grand@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject: *RE: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home > later with the WJ... > > > > Looks like you access the chain and oil pump after dropping pan and > the chain even has a removable link too. ;-) > > Fingers crossed for you John! > > > > later, > > dave AKA vwdoc1 > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional > Change settings via the Web > > (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest > > | Switch to Fully Featured > > > Visit Your Group > > | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | > Unsubscribe > > > __,_._,___ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:51:45 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [SPAM] [MessageLimit][lowlimit] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... I wonder if the pin that fastens the driven gear to the oil pump shaft may have sheared? I would just take off the sump cover and pull the pump out and bench test it (I am assuming you can do this with a Benz, I know it canbe done on American V8 iron). Edward On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT), john wrote: > after charging it a bit, it cranked normal speed in the drive... didn't > let it start... my son had it running on the freeway, but it didn't feel > right and at the slightest load it quit... no funny sounds... he was > a Diesel mechanic in the air force... he should know what bad bearings > would sound like... and there was ZERO oil pressure... > > valves move... that tells me, oil pump or flow... internal seals? > > analysis to follow... this isn't exactly a popcorn adventure, it's > like two steps back... no fun in this, unless I can increase power, > economy or add landing lights or something along those lines. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, jasonbassett@juno.com wrote: > > # I'll give you that it sounds like a reasonable theory, but how does one > fix > # it? Are you saying that the engine will loosen up once it's cooled? > # > # Pretty easy theory to test. ;D And I'm with Alec....impressin' comin' > if your > # pump was bad and the bearings are OK. > # > # Jason > # > # ---------- Original Message ---------- > # From: john > # To: "Alec Cordova" > # Cc: "dbl" ,"Dave" > # Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > WJ... > # Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:35:27 +0000 > # > # Since it wasn't making horrible rattling noises, turns over slowly and > died > # slowly expanded rings due to heat seems probable. > # > # john at http://wagoneers.com > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: Alec Cordova > # Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:58 > # To: > # Cc: dbl > # Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > WJ... > # > # If it was the oil pump and you fix it and it comes out OK, I'll be > # mighty impressed with that amsoil stuff. > # I'll light some popcorn-scented candles when I get home. > # > # Good luck, > # Alec > # > # On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, john wrote: > # > It's running amsoil so the bearings are probably fine, the rings > probably > # swelled with heat and caused it to seize, but not completely. Heard of > stories > # like this before, if it was the oil pump and I fix it it will likely be > ok. > # > > # > We'll see. > # > john at http://wagoneers.com > # > > # > -----Original Message----- > # > From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" > # > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > # > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:16:15 > # > To: > # > Subject: Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the > # > WJ... > # > > # > Sorry to hear about that. It sounds like lubrication failure > (probably the > # oil > # > pump), not cooling failure. You probably wiped out the bottom end in > the > # > process, hence slow cranking. > # > > # > If the pistons are all good, perhaps you could get away with just > redoing > # the > # > bearings on the crank, but......why would you fix just that when you > have > # it > # > apart? > # > > # > Honestly, I'm surprised to hear YOU, the Meister, say that you aren't > sure > # you > # > want to work on a diesel Benz! ROFL! > # > > # > Jason > # > > # > ---------- Original Message ---------- > # > From: john > # > To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > # > Subject: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... > # > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) > # > > # > wife was driving south on I-405 and the '91 300D just quit... > # > she got it onto the shoulder... 0 oil pressure... > # > funny noise, kind of a wheezing or whining sound... animal > noise sort > # of... > # > (???) > # > > # > stupid phone wasn't working in the building but finally stepped out > of the > # lab > # > and got her call... > # > > # > my son went down and gave her his '85 300D and then waited for me... > so we > # > pulled it off > # > the freeway into a nearby park-n-ride with the VW TDI, took my tools > out of > # > the 300d and left it. > # > > # > going down later tonight with the WJ to retrieve it... however the > WJ's > # > radiator has shown > # > signs of leaking now... argghhhh... was showing it to someone (it's > for > # sale, > # > or was) and pulled > # > it into a shop... then we both noticed a little green puddle under > it... > # well, > # > at least I know > # > now that it wasn't the heater core... need to flush the system and > replace > # the > # > rad... > # > > # > not sure what's up with the '91 300D... has oil, coolant, does crank, > # albeit > # > very slowly... definitely > # > not a fuel starvation issue... 0 oil pressure and slow cranking is > not a > # good > # > thing. My son > # > was able to get it started and moved it a short distance before it > died > # > again... had oil analysis > # > done just a few years back, not many miles, came back all a's, one b. > # > > # > 268,000 or so miles... guess the ads I'm seeing for used early '90s > 300Ds > # > with new engines > # > around the same mileage makes sense... not sure if a wrecking yard > engine > # is > # > worth a try, not > # > sure I want to rebuild it... > # > > # > not sure what we're going to do yet... > # > > # > other than fix the WJ and drive it for grocery getting... and pay > lot$ for > # ga$ > # > :( > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # >____________________________________________________________ > # > Groupon™ Official Site > # > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > # > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d828866ad45a1ece3est06vuc > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] happy birthday Rudolf! Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel born March 18, 1858 b^S last seen alive September 29, 1913 Rudolf Diesel was born in Paris in 1858. His parents were Bavarian immigrants. Rudolf Diesel was educated at Munich Polytechnic. After graduation he was employed as a refrigerator engineer. However, he true love lay in engine design. Rudolf Diesel designed many heat engines, including a solar-powered air engine. In 1893, he published a paper describing an engine with combustion within a cylinder, the internal combustion engine. In 1894, he filed for a patent for his new invention, dubbed the diesel engine. Rudolf Diesel was almost killed by his engine when it exploded. However, his engine was the first that proved that fuel could be ignited without a spark. He operated his first successful engine in 1897. In 1898, Rudolf Diesel was granted patent #608,845 for an "internal combustion engine" the Diesel engine. The diesel engines of today are refined and improved versions of Rudolf Diesel's original concept. They are often used in submarines, ships, locomotives, and large trucks and in electric generating plants. Though best known for his invention of the pressure-ignited heat engine that bears his name, Rudolf Diesel was also a well-respected thermal engineer and a social theorist. Rudolf Diesel's inventions have three points in common: They relate to heat transference by natural physical processes or laws; they involve markedly creative mechanical design; and they were initially motivated by the inventor's concept of sociological needs. Rudolf Diesel originally conceived the diesel engine to enable independent craftsmen and artisans to compete with large industry. At Augsburg, on August 10, 1893, Rudolf Diesel's prime model, a single 10-foot iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its own power for the first time. Rudolf Diesel spent two more years making improvements and in 1896 demonstrated another model with the theoretical efficiency of 75 percent, in contrast to the ten percent efficiency of the steam engine. By 1898, Rudolf Diesel was a millionaire. His engines were used to power pipelines, electric and water plants, automobiles and trucks, and marine craft, and soon after were used in mines, oil fields, factories, and transoceanic shipping. From: http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bldiesel.htm ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] mercedes kaput - going to drag home later with the WJ... > interference motors and rubber bands are a horrifically bad idea... *** Indeed. I once bought a Honda Goldwing motorcycle. It had been stored for a while. On the trip home, one of the rubber bands broke. Lots of mayhem for that head! Those bent valves were amazingly expensive. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] snohomish monster carport upgrade my wife found a used garage door on craigslist this morning, we looked at it and it's going to be installed on Tuesday, complete with a garage door opener!!! :) this is will be a new experience... working inside... just in time for summer... oh well. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3417 **********************************