From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sun Mar 27 13:34:21 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, March 27 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3422 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 83 J10 adventure [db] math problem [db] J10 adventure [db] oxygenated fuels - the official doctrine Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:40:46 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 83 J10 adventure I have a spare sd33t. :) - ------Original Message------ From: Eric Ditwiler To: J Subject: Re: [db] 83 J10 adventure Sent: Mar 25, 2011 19:54 A carb? And no doubt spark plugs, too! Heresy! Guess you'll be swapping that motor out for an oil-burner? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:46:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [db] 83 J10 adventure the J10 was as good or better than expected. has trouble starting, carb likely. my son got home safely estimated 16mpg! we're just leaving portland and heading home now :) the jetta got 43 avg' with 200 in town and 200 hiway ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] math problem ok, it's been a long day... and I'm tired... but I'm confusing myself and using a computer to do it. here's the situation... the '83 J10 I just bought has larger tires than stock... so the odometer reads less than actually travelled. my son filled the J10 up in Vancouver, and got nervous in Tacoma (fuel gauge isn't working)... so he stopped and topped it off and was surprised that it would only take 7.1 gallons... the odometer math was 114.6 miles... but the GPS speed was about 10% off the speedo reading, so I used the two addresses from the gas stations on I-5... mapquested... came out to 124.97 miles. ok, so here's where my feeble math skills cause me some confusion... I think I have the right answer, but want to verify... so I can establish the algorithim in excel... odometer miles ERROR gals mpg cost per gal place & notes 19,390.2 start 0.0905 purchased in 404 NE 78th st, vancouver, wa - error =(J4/C4)-1 19,504.8 114.6 125.0 7.1 17.68 $26.57 $3.76 purchased in 8433 south hosmer, tacoma, wa - actual miles: 124.97 actual miles error factor c4=odometer reading - d3-error factor 124.97 0.090488656 =(C4*$D$3)+C4 so my calculations should be actual reading x error factor + actual reading... right? to get the error factor I took the mapquest miles/odometer miles - 1... right? or do I take the difference in the miles, 10.37 miles and divide that by the odometer reading??? those miles are off a little bit... don't think that's right and my first formula works out... if that's the case he didn't get 16.1 mpg, or the 17.71 I first came up with, but 17.68 mpg, which is pretty close to an amazing record for a 360 V8... he claims he was drafting semi's at 60 (instead of driving at 70mph)... tires were pumped up to near max... in other news my Jetta got about 48 mpg, I tanked up at the same station but went across the columbia into portland, across on the banfield to 205 and down to clackamas, then back up 205/I-5... cruise set at the speed limit and if needed I got on it to get around congestion... pictures to follow... will be at http://fotomeister.us/2011/03-Mar-25-J10 took some night shots... It sure was nice to drive a J10 again... really miss superdawg... and I think my son will buy this from me when the dawg is done... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] J10 adventure sold our '99 WJ and J10 trailer, bought an '83 J10... drove down to Portland/Vancouver yesterday and mark drove it home... first leg of trip home drafting semis he got 17.68 mpg! total mpg 16.34 mpg - ---------------------------- after topping off the J10 tank up the hill - considering the error factor or 0.090489 because of larger tires. - ---------------------------- 1st leg of trip: 114.6 miles on odometer, actual 124.97 mileage uncorrected = 16.21 - ADJUSTED MILEAGE 17.68 mpg!!!! 2nd leg of trip: 62 miles on odometer, actual 67.6 mileage uncorrected = 13.76 - ADJUSTED MILEAGE 15.00 mpg (no drafting of semis) total mileage 193 miles, total average for entire trip (adjusted) 16.34 mpg! The 1983 J10 needs a lot of little things, loose items, bad ground, minor, minor stuff, very, very happy with this purchase. But it runs and drives - ------------------------ here's pictures to go along with this and a few other recent day events: Spring flowers - farewell WJ: http://fotomeister.us/2011/03-Mar-24-flowers-n-farewell-WJ/ALL.html The J10 home (self portrait with stars): http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/03-Mar-25-J10/ALL.html the original J10 pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/ALL.html today's sunrise (Saturday): http://fotomeister.us/2011/03-Mar-26-sunrise/ALL.html - ---------------------------- -o|||||o- city/hwy engine/trans/xfr - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2003 VW Jetta GLS Wagon TDI 40/48 mpg 1.9L TDI/5spd 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 30/39 mpg 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) 1983 Jeep J10 long box (SJ) ??/15 mpg 5.9L AT/NP208 (best mpg 17.68) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) (Superdawg)- under construction since 1999 getting '80 Scout SD33T Diesel, TF727/NP208 mpg: 20/24 expected -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:39:27 -0700 From: john Subject: [db] oxygenated fuels - the official doctrine Jim, We have not had winterized fuel in this state for several years now... since I'm primarily a Diesel user I haven't paid attention... but they used to post notices on the pump. I do see a notice that varies from 5-10% ethanol is in use at the "discount" pumps like fred meyer, arco, safeway and so on, but ethanol does not foam, but does help collect moisture and so on... I don't know where you heard about oxygenated winter fuel, but the data is out of date, or the government isn't posting info on it... seems it was a big deal in 2005 and then went away, I think in part because of our mandatory burn bans for woodstoves when there was air stagnation here... which was a major blessing for those of us with allergies/respiratory issues. The requirements for oxygenated fuels were eliminated years ago... it's only in certain areas, a quick google of the fed's epa site revealed less than 10 cities. http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/P1001YKP.TXT?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index=2000+Thru+2005&Docs=&Query=420B05013%20or%20washington%20or%20state%20or%20winterized%20or%20fuel&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=pubnumber^%22420B05013%22&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=pubnumber&IntQFieldOp=1&ExtQFieldOp=1&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A\zyfiles\Index%20Data\00thru05\Txt\00000017\P1001YKP.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h|-&MaximumDocuments=10&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r75g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=p|f&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=1&SeekPage=x&ZyPURL Fuel quality may have diminished for other reasons... http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=173-492&full=true http://access.wa.gov/search/index.aspx?qs=Oxygenated%20fuel http://www.ecy.wa.gov/biblio/wac173492.html http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=173-492-070 173-492-070 Control areas and control periods. Beginning in 1992, the oxygenated gasoline requirements of this chapter shall apply to the following control area during the following control period: Control Period Control Area County Beginning Ending Spokane Spokane September 1 February 29 Upon approval by EPA, the control period for Spokane will be from October 1 to February 29. On 03/27/2011 09:06 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/oxy2.html > > That is on top of the federally mandated MINIMUM 10% alcohol in our > fuel (it's supposed to be 50 state enforced) but they can go as high > as 20% (and many do. Arco being the worst here) Then there is Shell, > who came up with MTBE in the first place. > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3422 **********************************