From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Fri Apr 1 14:27:49 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, April 1 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3429 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] OT: more questions on car shopping Re: [db] w210 --> w211 [db] the digests are stuck again Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: more questions on car shopping Re: [db] w210 --> w211 Re: [db] w210 --> w211 [db] Re: John Looking for New car [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI Re: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:06:38 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT: more questions on car shopping Thanx, will give the passat and audi a closer look. - ------Original Message------ From: Richard Welty Sender: rweltyap@krusty-motorsports.com To: J Cc: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Subject: Re: [db] OT: more questions on car shopping Sent: Apr 1, 2011 08:04 On 4/1/11 3:31 AM, john wrote: > so are the automatics in the Passat and Audi the same as in the Jetta? > they probably were in the 2002-2005 model years, which is when the Passats and A4s had similar mechanical underpinnings. > if not, are they a high fail item? what years to avoid/obtain? i don't know too much about these slushboxes (my car has a 5 speed, which is not common in the A4 wagon body), but i'm not hearing anything particularly bad about the automagics. i do feel that the A4s of the period are good cars, although you may have trouble finding a low mileage car at this point in time. the 1.8 vw is a good motor as long as you replace the timing belt in a timely manner, and the quattro AWD system is really nice. richard john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 here's a few benz I'm thinking of looking at: thoughts? 2001 e430 http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/2296104134.html 1994 e420 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/2287832581.html there's also an ML, http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/2298455989.html not sure how serious... there's also a '92 Diesel for 4500 but there's no pictures, mileage or model info... duh... how can someone buy a car that way??? so... audi/passatt/ w210s from '01 up / 124 / jeep XJ are on the short list... volvos / lexus? will be given a glance... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: # I have 3 210 cars that are very nice cars with no issues. I think you would # want to avoid the first couple of years of them though. # # On 4/1/2011 2:47 AM, john wrote: # > sounds like I want to completely avoid any w210s, right? # > found a 2001 e420, but that's still a w210. # > # > w211's pick up in 2002, are they ok? # > # > did they ever fix the issues of the w210 so that a 2001 might be # > considered, or like # > the jeeps anything "ZJ" should be avoided... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > ----- # > No virus found in this message. # > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com # > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3543 - Release Date: 03/31/11 # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] the digests are stuck again richard, the digests are stuck again... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, Richard Welty wrote: # On 4/1/11 3:31 AM, john wrote: # > so are the automatics in the Passat and Audi the same as in the Jetta? # > # they probably were in the 2002-2005 model years, which is when # the Passats and A4s had similar mechanical underpinnings. # > if not, are they a high fail item? what years to avoid/obtain? # i don't know too much about these slushboxes (my car has # a 5 speed, which is not common in the A4 wagon body), but # i'm not hearing anything particularly bad about the automagics. # # i do feel that the A4s of the period are good cars, although you # may have trouble finding a low mileage car at this point in time. # the 1.8 vw is a good motor as long as you replace the timing belt # in a timely manner, and the quattro AWD system is really nice. # # richard # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:28:15 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] OT: more questions on car shopping I saw a beautiful 300CD in Centralia/Chehalis on seattle cl the other day... 5800 bucks? it looked beautiful... was very much tempted... up to the point where my wife took one look and said yuck. :) On 04/01/2011 05:07 AM, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: > John, > > Was looking through Craigs list nationally and found this. Looks nice. > > http://medford.craigslist.org/cto/2298498609.html > > I am looking at a number of needed repairs on my 87 190DT so am on a mission again. > > Rather liking the looks of the 300CD has to be turbo. Saw a rough one in the parking lot the other day. Very classicly sexy vehicle. > > Have created Craigs list xml feeds from accross the country. If anyone wants the file for their reader just give a shout. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:53:47 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 I have a 99 e430 a 99 e320 and a 97 e300 that I bought with trans stuck in limp mode so I don't know about that one yet Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2011, at 9:53 AM, john wrote: > Very helpful, thanx. Sounds like MB got the quality thing under control around 2001?? > > ------Original Message------ > From: Kaleb C. Striplin > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Cc: dbl > Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 > Sent: Apr 1, 2011 05:48 > > I have 3 210 cars that are very nice cars with no issues. I think > you would want to avoid the first couple of years of them though. > > On 4/1/2011 2:47 AM, john wrote: >> sounds like I want to completely avoid any w210s, right? >> found a 2001 e420, but that's still a w210. >> >> w211's pick up in 2002, are they ok? >> >> did they ever fix the issues of the w210 so that a 2001 might be considered, or like >> the jeeps anything "ZJ" should be avoided... >> >> john >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3543 - Release Date: 03/31/11 >> >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, > 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:00:52 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 I wonder how bad bad is, I know we'll soon hear from mike frank with the rest of the story. :). I have had cars that were supposedly the worst ever built and they were fine. I've had great high mileage and horrible low mileage cars. It's so hard to shop for used cars, especially when they are scattered all over the puget sound. :). I think they start charging tolls on the 520 floating bridge soon. $3.50 to drive across. I can drive completely around the lake for less than that or take the I-90 floating bridge, and then deal with the traffic on I-5. The 95 xj gets the expected mileage, waiting for pictures. I'd rather pay more for fuel and be able to trust it than learn more mechanical skills. :) john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:53:47 To: john@wagoneers.com Cc: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net; dbl Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 I have a 99 e430 a 99 e320 and a 97 e300 that I bought with trans stuck in limp mode so I don't know about that one yet Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2011, at 9:53 AM, john wrote: > Very helpful, thanx. Sounds like MB got the quality thing under control around 2001?? > > ------Original Message------ > From: Kaleb C. Striplin > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Cc: dbl > Subject: Re: [db] w210 --> w211 > Sent: Apr 1, 2011 05:48 > > I have 3 210 cars that are very nice cars with no issues. I think > you would want to avoid the first couple of years of them though. > > On 4/1/2011 2:47 AM, john wrote: >> sounds like I want to completely avoid any w210s, right? >> found a 2001 e420, but that's still a w210. >> >> w211's pick up in 2002, are they ok? >> >> did they ever fix the issues of the w210 so that a 2001 might be considered, or like >> the jeeps anything "ZJ" should be avoided... >> >> john >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas >> http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3543 - Release Date: 03/31/11 >> >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, > 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, > 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > john at http://wagoneers.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:22:09 +0000 From: john Subject: [db] Re: John Looking for New car Looking at a 95 xj country in a few hours. I watched a video on how to put the front clip of an audi into service mode, heard enough about asian imports and rubber bands. Hoping the xj is clean. Heading up the hill to retrieve the dead 300d. My tdi with the 11mm pump is fun, will use it to drag the 300d home. Happy shopping jim. :) john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: "James D. Sterling" Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 12:58:25 To: john Subject: RE: John Looking for New car Well I am in the same boat as John only in So Cal. I am looking at VW Jetta and Passat wagons and Audi and Volvo wagons. My budget is about the same as Johns. I can go manual or auto (prefer manual but in wagons harder to get). Have a line on a 2002 Passat wagon 119K, water pump and timing belt done at 100K, new tires, brakes. People just had another child and need something bigger. Hopefully looking at it Monday. Drove a Jetta wagon (1.8Turbo, 5sp). That was FUN!! Drove the Volvo, not so fun, but a strong safe car. At about 95K they need timing belts done (same for all the 4 and 6 cyls). Hoping the Passat wagon (1.8Turbo, auto) is almost as much fun to drive as the Jetta. Jim Sterling jsterling@sterlingnetworks.net 805-579-8998 Founding Partner SMBTN www.smbtn.org - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj@digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj@digest.net] On Behalf Of Mark Wallace Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:24 PM To: fsj-digest@digest.net Subject: fsj: John Looking for New car I just went through the finding a new car for a lady friend. The criteria list was something along the lines of good fuel economy, good resale value, durability and something she could comfortably drive (no bad habits). I first suggested a Wagoneer, but she said that she hadn't been bad enough to deserve a Wagoneer. We ended up with a list of candidates and we went to drive each one with no pre-formed opinion on any of them. I think the list included a WJ grand Cherokee, a bunch of Subarus, a Diesel MB, a MINI, a Toyota Prius. We found that Diesel MB's for sale were few and far between and in our search never managed to drive one. Subarus were on the radar as they seem to be the go-to car in New Mexico. What we found is that their fuel economy was 22 to 24 highway. Barely better than a modern V8 truck. (My dakota gets 19 with a 318 V8) A friend's wife drives one and it is expensive to repair. The third thing that I noticed and we drove several is that at highway speeds they don't track down the road straight. They have what I would describe as a "Dutch Roll Characteristic) I was pretty unimpressed. The Grand Cherokee had a nice price of admission, the 4.0 Straight 6 that I know how to work on and fundamentally the same economy as the Subarus, but it was too big for her tastess. that would have been my choice. because she drives a lot of miles she got the Prius which I refer to as "Almost as nice" as my rodent infested Wagoneer. But I would not go for Subaru. Mark Wallace Rodent Infested 81 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:15:20 +0000 From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI Excellent analysis Jim. Sharing. Thanx. john at http://wagoneers.com - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair Sender: owner-xj@digest.net Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:44:11 To: ; ; ; Reply-To: xj@digest.netSubject: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI $1300 = 3,250 miles worth of fuel (@ 10 mpg), so to get between 50 & 100% improvement (15-20 mpg), it will take you 4,825 to 6,500 miles with that fuel. Average driver will do 12,000 miles a year, so that's 1200 gallons, or 800 to 600 with EFI. That means about 6 to 8 months to recoup your costs. (not counting labor) > Subject: Re: fsj: Howell EFI > To: carnuck@hotmail.com; fsj@digest.net > From: fullsizejeeps@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:28:08 +0000 > > Rofl. That's more than I've paid for 24 of my 27 FSJs. :) > john at http://wagoneers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Blair > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:44:46 > To: ; > Cc: > Subject: RE: fsj: Howell EFI > > About $1300 > http://www.howellefi.com/customer/tbi-kit-1972-93-304-360-401-v-8-jeep-amc-of froad.html > > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:18:28 -0700 > > From: john@wagoneers.com > > To: tsp@crptruck.com > > CC: fsj-digest@digest.net > > Subject: Re: fsj: Howell EFI > > > > how much does this upgrade cost? > > > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > > tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Troy Phagan wrote: > > > > # FYI: I have been taking a closer look at the Howell EFI system for my truck. > > # I questioned them about the CARB exemption and model years, the email > > # exchange looks like this: > > # > > # ------- > > # From Me, to Howell: > > # > > # Thanks; I have reviewed the info you sent; I appreciate it. However, I have > > # a question: > > # > > # I see and understand that the AMC v8 kit Part # K247JPV8 works on all years > > # through 1991; > > # > > # BUT the CARB E.O. exemption is only good up to 1981 Models? > > # > > # Is that correct? > > # > > # The reason I ask is because I have an 1982; I am in an CO emissions area. > > # Not sure if my local emissions people would understand the actual improvement > > # this would be... Do you have any insight or experience with the CO emissions > > # program? > > # ------ > > # Response from Howell: > > # > > # Troy, > > # > > # the K247JPV8 is smog legal through 1993. We originally had it approved > > # through 1981 and later it was extended to 1993. it is on file with CA Carb > > # E.O. requirements as 1972-1993. I assure you 1982 will no t be a problem. > > # > > # Matt > > # > > # ----- > > # > > # Some of the documentation online, and even paper copies sent to me, still > > # only referred to the old approval, through 1981. > > # I hope this really going to save me some hassle, if I can get the local > > # emission people to understand and cooperate.... I was seriously considering > > # having to buy an additional older model truck to work with the emissions > > # situation I have... > > # > > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:27:35 -0500 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI If this is a project to switch from carburetor to fuel injection, remember that it (should) improve more than just your fuel economy. Startup, idle, cold and hot weather, etc. That's got to be worth something, too. Alec On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:15 PM, john wrote: > Excellent analysis Jim. Sharing. > Thanx. > > john at http://wagoneers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Blair > Sender: owner-xj@digest.net > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:44:11 > To: ; ; ; > Reply-To: xj@digest.netSubject: xj: RE: fsj: Howell EFI > > $1300 = 3,250 miles worth of fuel (@ 10 mpg), so to get between 50 & 100% > improvement (15-20 mpg), it will take you 4,825 to 6,500 miles with that fuel. > > Average driver will do 12,000 miles a year, so that's 1200 gallons, or 800 to > 600 with EFI. That means about 6 to 8 months to recoup your costs. (not > counting labor) > >> Subject: Re: fsj: Howell EFI >> To: carnuck@hotmail.com; fsj@digest.net >> From: fullsizejeeps@gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:28:08 +0000 >> >> Rofl. That's more than I've paid for 24 of my 27 FSJs. :) >> john at http://wagoneers.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Blair >> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:44:46 >> To: ; >> Cc: >> Subject: RE: fsj: Howell EFI >> >> About $1300 >> > http://www.howellefi.com/customer/tbi-kit-1972-93-304-360-401-v-8-jeep-amc-of > froad.html >> >> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:18:28 -0700 >> > From: john@wagoneers.com >> > To: tsp@crptruck.com >> > CC: fsj-digest@digest.net >> > Subject: Re: fsj: Howell EFI >> > >> > how much does this upgrade cost? >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum >> > tunc aperuit illis sensum ut intellegerent scripturas >> > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Troy Phagan wrote: >> > >> > # FYI: I have been taking a closer look at the Howell EFI system for my > truck. >> > # I questioned them about the CARB exemption and model years, the email >> > # exchange looks like this: >> > # >> > # ------- >> > # From Me, to Howell: >> > # >> > # Thanks; I have reviewed the info you sent; I appreciate it. However, I > have >> > # a question: >> > # >> > # I see and understand that the AMC v8 kit Part # K247JPV8 works on all > years >> > # through 1991; >> > # >> > # BUT the CARB E.O. exemption is only good up to 1981 Models? >> > # >> > # Is that correct? >> > # >> > # The reason I ask is because I have an 1982; I am in an CO emissions > area. >> > # Not sure if my local emissions people would understand the actual > improvement >> > # this would be... Do you have any insight or experience with the CO > emissions >> > # program? >> > # ------ >> > # Response from Howell: >> > # >> > # Troy, >> > # >> > # the K247JPV8 is smog legal through 1993. We originally had it > approved >> > # through 1981 and later it was extended to 1993. it is on file with CA > Carb >> > # E.O. requirements as 1972-1993. I assure you 1982 will no t be a > problem. >> > # >> > # Matt >> > # >> > # ----- >> > # >> > # Some of the documentation online, and even paper copies sent to me, > still >> > # only referred to the old approval, through 1981. >> > # I hope this really going to save me some hassle, if I can get the > local >> > # emission people to understand and cooperate.... I was seriously > considering >> > # having to buy an additional older model truck to work with the > emissions >> > # situation I have... >> > # >> > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3429 **********************************