From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Jun 7 13:43:53 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 7 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3429 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D [db] technical question... have an idea... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:07:22 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D If you don't buy it let me have the guy's contact info. That price is a tad high, but not unrealistic at 155k. We miss ours. Depending on how it looks I'd love to have it. Recommend timing and oil pump change at 200k. - ------Original Message------ From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl ReplyTo: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Sent: Jun 7, 2011 09:45 John, Et al: Talking with someone that has a 1991 300D with 155k on the clock. Car sounds like its in great shape. Pictures look good and though not confirmed claims to be dealer maintained in Palm Springs. Guy is a bit of a diesel nut which is a positive. I am looking at multiple failure points on my 87 190DT including replacing the rear end. Need a reliable car for while I either fix the DT or sell it as is. Any thoughts on the 1991 300's? Know there has been lots of discussion regarding 123 vs 124s. But havent really seen anything aweful about 124 am I right about that? This car shares basically the same 2.5 liter motor 602.961 for DT and 602.962 for 300D. Is there any significant differences? So the real question is at $5000 is this car worth it and what would make it not... Thanks all, John *** john at http://wagoneers.com *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D there is nothing awful about 124's... while not having a lot of cool features compared to newer cars, they ride well, they handle well, they're quiet, they look good, they have plenty of room, they don't have annoying suspension issues, quality is good, transmissions work unless the vacuum line works loose, mine averaged right at 30mpg, mixed.. best was 39.75... worst about 23-24 on weak biodiesel in winter... the climate control fan is annoying, but not troublesome or plauged like the 123/126 or as expensive to fix as the 210. it's a much better car overall compared to a 201 and much improved in all areas over a 123/126, although those cars have a unique feel and ride and many good features as well, but I don't want another one... I'd happily buy another 124 if I could find one with this low of miles... really kicking myself that I didn't spend the money to fix mine instead of buying a very nice low mileage toyota rav4... one good thing is I'll be able to sell this without trouble, they're popular... because the majority of people have never experienced a Diesel Benz... John, let me know if you don't want this car... send pictures... if it looks good I'll be on a plane within a few weeks, or drive down to get it... think the guy would give me the benz and cash for a nice mint condition low mileage RAV4? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: # John, Et al: # # Talking with someone that has a 1991 300D with 155k on the clock. Car sounds like its in great shape. Pictures look good and though not confirmed claims to be dealer maintained in Palm Springs. Guy is a bit of a diesel nut which is a positive. # # I am looking at multiple failure points on my 87 190DT including replacing the rear end. Need a reliable car for while I either fix the DT or sell it as is. # # Any thoughts on the 1991 300's? Know there has been lots of discussion regarding 123 vs 124s. But havent really seen anything aweful about 124 am I right about that? # # This car shares basically the same 2.5 liter motor 602.961 for DT and 602.962 for 300D. Is there any significant differences? # # So the real question is at $5000 is this car worth it and what would make it not... # # Thanks all, # # John # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:39:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D John, Thanks for feedback. I am serious about vehicle. I have the cash as I have known about my 190DT issues for a while so prepared for the worst. Thinking that I might want to have someone check it out. Maybe an MB dealership. Worth a few buck. Vehicle is not local to me. Will of course share if I choose to back out but want this wrapped up in a week or so if possible. FYI found in a public source. JJS - -----Original Message----- >From: john >Sent: Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM >To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D > >there is nothing awful about 124's... while not having a lot of cool features >compared to newer cars, they ride well, they handle well, they're quiet, they look >good, they have plenty of room, they don't have annoying suspension issues, quality >is good, transmissions work unless the vacuum line works loose, mine averaged >right at 30mpg, mixed.. best was 39.75... worst about 23-24 on weak biodiesel in >winter... > >the climate control fan is annoying, but not troublesome or plauged like the 123/126 or >as expensive to fix as the 210. > >it's a much better car overall compared to a 201 and much improved in all areas over >a 123/126, although those cars have a unique feel and ride and many good features as well, >but I don't want another one... > >I'd happily buy another 124 if I could find one with this low of miles... > >really kicking myself that I didn't spend the money to fix mine instead of buying >a very nice low mileage toyota rav4... one good thing is I'll be able to sell this >without trouble, they're popular... because the majority of people have never experienced >a Diesel Benz... > >John, let me know if you don't want this car... send pictures... if it looks good I'll >be on a plane within a few weeks, or drive down to get it... think the guy would give >me the benz and cash for a nice mint condition low mileage RAV4? ;) > >john > > > > ----- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > # John, Et al: > # > # Talking with someone that has a 1991 300D with 155k on the clock. Car sounds like its in great shape. Pictures look good and though not confirmed claims to be dealer maintained in Palm Springs. Guy is a bit of a diesel nut which is a positive. > # > # I am looking at multiple failure points on my 87 190DT including replacing the rear end. Need a reliable car for while I either fix the DT or sell it as is. > # > # Any thoughts on the 1991 300's? Know there has been lots of discussion regarding 123 vs 124s. But havent really seen anything aweful about 124 am I right about that? > # > # This car shares basically the same 2.5 liter motor 602.961 for DT and 602.962 for 300D. Is there any significant differences? > # > # So the real question is at $5000 is this car worth it and what would make it not... > # > # Thanks all, > # > # John > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:15:03 -0500 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D Prepurchase inspection at a new car dealership for a 20-year-old vehicle may not be worthwhile unless that particular dealership has techs that have been working on Benzes forever. If their people weren't previously working on Benzes, their training and work would focus extensively on current or recent models. Look for an independent Benz specialist. Heck, tell us where it is, and somebody on the list may be able to help with a recommendation or even some personal time to get you a useful PPI. Nobody here is likely to steal one out from under you. The rest of us would give them too much grief. Alec On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, wrote: > John, > > Thanks for feedback. I am serious about vehicle. I have the cash as I have known about my 190DT issues for a while so prepared for the worst. Thinking that I might want to have someone check it out. Maybe an MB dealership. Worth a few buck. Vehicle is not local to me. > > Will of course share if I choose to back out but want this wrapped up in a week or so if possible. FYI found in a public source. > > > JJS > > -----Original Message----- >>From: john >>Sent: Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM >>To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com >>Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net >>Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D >> >>there is nothing awful about 124's... while not having a lot of cool features >>compared to newer cars, they ride well, they handle well, they're quiet, they look >>good, they have plenty of room, they don't have annoying suspension issues, quality >>is good, transmissions work unless the vacuum line works loose, mine averaged >>right at 30mpg, mixed.. best was 39.75... worst about 23-24 on weak biodiesel in >>winter... >> >>the climate control fan is annoying, but not troublesome or plauged like the 123/126 or >>as expensive to fix as the 210. >> >>it's a much better car overall compared to a 201 and much improved in all areas over >>a 123/126, although those cars have a unique feel and ride and many good features as well, >>but I don't want another one... >> >>I'd happily buy another 124 if I could find one with this low of miles... >> >>really kicking myself that I didn't spend the money to fix mine instead of buying >>a very nice low mileage toyota rav4... one good thing is I'll be able to sell this >>without trouble, they're popular... because the majority of people have never experienced >>a Diesel Benz... >> >>John, let me know if you don't want this car... send pictures... if it looks good I'll >>be on a plane within a few weeks, or drive down to get it... think the guy would give >>me the benz and cash for a nice mint condition low mileage RAV4? ;) >> >>john >> >> >> >> ----- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -o|||||o- >> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 >> http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: >> >> # John, Et al: >> # >> # Talking with someone that has a 1991 300D with 155k on the clock. Car sounds like its in great shape. Pictures look good and though not confirmed claims to be dealer maintained in Palm Springs. Guy is a bit of a diesel nut which is a positive. >> # >> # I am looking at multiple failure points on my 87 190DT including replacing the rear end. Need a reliable car for while I either fix the DT or sell it as is. >> # >> # Any thoughts on the 1991 300's? Know there has been lots of discussion regarding 123 vs 124s. But havent really seen anything aweful about 124 am I right about that? >> # >> # This car shares basically the same 2.5 liter motor 602.961 for DT and 602.962 for 300D. Is there any significant differences? >> # >> # So the real question is at $5000 is this car worth it and what would make it not... >> # >> # Thanks all, >> # >> # John >> # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D yeah, the guilt would be horrible... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Alec Cordova wrote: # Prepurchase inspection at a new car dealership for a 20-year-old # vehicle may not be worthwhile unless that particular dealership has # techs that have been working on Benzes forever. If their people # weren't previously working on Benzes, their training and work would # focus extensively on current or recent models. Look for an independent # Benz specialist. # # Heck, tell us where it is, and somebody on the list may be able to # help with a recommendation or even some personal time to get you a # useful PPI. Nobody here is likely to steal one out from under you. The # rest of us would give them too much grief. # # Alec # # On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, wrote: # > John, # > # > Thanks for feedback. I am serious about vehicle. I have the cash as I have # known about my 190DT issues for a while so prepared for the worst. Thinking # that I might want to have someone check it out. Maybe an MB dealership. # Worth a few buck. Vehicle is not local to me. # > # > Will of course share if I choose to back out but want this wrapped up in a # week or so if possible. FYI found in a public source. # > # > # > JJS # > # > -----Original Message----- # >>From: john # >>Sent: Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM # >>To: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com # >>Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net # >>Subject: Re: [db] Interesting prospect 1991 MB 300D # >> # >>there is nothing awful about 124's... while not having a lot of cool # features # >>compared to newer cars, they ride well, they handle well, they're quiet, # they look # >>good, they have plenty of room, they don't have annoying suspension issues, # quality # >>is good, transmissions work unless the vacuum line works loose, mine # averaged # >>right at 30mpg, mixed.. best was 39.75... worst about 23-24 on weak # biodiesel in # >>winter... # >> # >>the climate control fan is annoying, but not troublesome or plauged like the # 123/126 or # >>as expensive to fix as the 210. # >> # >>it's a much better car overall compared to a 201 and much improved in all # areas over # >>a 123/126, although those cars have a unique feel and ride and many good # features as well, # >>but I don't want another one... # >> # >>I'd happily buy another 124 if I could find one with this low of miles... # >> # >>really kicking myself that I didn't spend the money to fix mine instead of # buying # >>a very nice low mileage toyota rav4... one good thing is I'll be able to # sell this # >>without trouble, they're popular... because the majority of people have # never experienced # >>a Diesel Benz... # >> # >>John, let me know if you don't want this car... send pictures... if it looks # good I'll # >>be on a plane within a few weeks, or drive down to get it... think the guy # would give # >>me the benz and cash for a nice mint condition low mileage RAV4? ;) # >> # >>john # >> # >> # >> # >> ----- # >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> -o|||||o- # >> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # >> http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> # >> # >>On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: # >> # >> # John, Et al: # >> # # >> # Talking with someone that has a 1991 300D with 155k on the clock. Car # sounds like its in great shape. Pictures look good and though not confirmed # claims to be dealer maintained in Palm Springs. Guy is a bit of a diesel nut # which is a positive. # >> # # >> # I am looking at multiple failure points on my 87 190DT including # replacing the rear end. Need a reliable car for while I either fix the DT or # sell it as is. # >> # # >> # Any thoughts on the 1991 300's? Know there has been lots of discussion # regarding 123 vs 124s. But havent really seen anything aweful about 124 am I # right about that? # >> # # >> # This car shares basically the same 2.5 liter motor 602.961 for DT and # 602.962 for 300D. Is there any significant differences? # >> # # >> # So the real question is at $5000 is this car worth it and what would make # it not... # >> # # >> # Thanks all, # >> # # >> # John # >> # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] technical question... have an idea... I've got an idea... actually several, but will try to stick to one right now... I want to attach and electric (DC) motor to an axle, preferrably the front axle. Thinking of making a low speed 4x4 setup using the electric motor to drive the front axle to get unstuck and started on slippery surfaces... the top speed would be limited to the motor's capabilities with just the axle gearing. Question I have is what motor would have enough power, in combination with an engine driving the rear axle, or by itself, to move around 4,000lbs through say 3.73 gears driving 235/75r15 (~29") tires up to 5 or maybe 10 mph. Would the motor be damaged if it were to spin up to freeway speeds by the axle? How hard would it be to great regenerative braking and charging with the same motor? so the question is, or more precisely, the questions are:... what electric motor might work? does it need a clutch setup? what speed could it be used as a generator/brake? I'm thinking that some kind of clutch / release mechanism would be needed to disengage the motor from the axle once the speed increased... that could also be used to provide additional braking, but if the speed is too great that might be a problem... mounting the motor to the front driveshaft would be done by brackets off the live axle housing... think american iron... live axles... lots of room underneath... then think of the drivetrain being removed and replaced with something out of a Mid-80's Mercedes Diesel complete with automatic transmission... the ultimate WVO burning hybrid 4x4... the other option of course is to use that $650 adapter kit... they are working on an automatic transmission version... so, I'm kind of looking for a nice clean TJ with an automatic, AC and a hard top... I think I'm going to sell my extra SD33T... or trade it for a Mercdes OM617... My '83 J10 stepside is getting an SD33T/TF727(RV) and NP208, with 3.54 gears, 235s. But, I want to build a nice TJ as our 2nd vehicle... has to be an automatic and has to have a/c and a hardtop... I'm sure my wife will prefer driving a TJ vs. a Rav4. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3429 **********************************