From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Mon Sep 12 21:32:00 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, September 13 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3482 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:27:47 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped Mine is in far better shape, except for the right-side rust. Overall, except for what this guy had repaired and restored, I think mine is still in better shape. And, again, I don't have space for a spare car lying around. I have at most a couple of shelves' worth of space available for parts. Plus, mine is the one with sentimental value. I wouldn't buy one of these today. Too old and low-performance. Mine has been solid as a rock (knock on wood!), and only has 135,000 miles on it. So I keep it and have pride in it. - -bkc On Mon Sep 12, 2011, jasonbassett@juno.com wrote: > > Just take the whole car and put your motor in it. It's a piece of cake. I've > done it twice. Then you have a less rusty 240D with a good engine and all the > parts you can use off your current one. > > John is right! > > J > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Bruce Caruthers > To: diesel-benz@Digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:16:30 -0700 > > In order to take advantage of any body panels, my W115 needs a ton > of framing repair, which isn't happening unless/until I come into a > lot more income. Plus this parts car is not completely rust free, > anyway (just much better than my East Coast origin one). > > I'm more concerned with pricey or hard to get mechanical and > functional parts. Especially smallish ones that can fit on a shelf > (like IP and water pump). > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > > > On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > > > > another parking space? > > > > you don't need all that backyard... ;) > > > > doors? fenders? hood? you can hang that stuff on walls/rafters... > > > > john > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > > > # I have no space for a spare car. It is bad enough with the limping > > # Toyota on the side of the house. I can set aside some shelf space, > > # but that's about it. > > # > > # Any advice on getting the IP out? I think my motor and tranny mounts > > # are fine (replaced a few years ago). Front-end suspension was replaced > > # in 1996-ish, so should be good for a while, still. Can't think of > > # anything else I should get, other than totally random stuff I might > > # never need... > > # > > # Any recommendations for specific items I should try to get? > > # > > # -bkc > > # Lynnwood, WA > > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > > # > > # > > # On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > > # > > > # > why don't you get the whole thing and then you'd have > > # > some rust free parts for yours... :) > > # > > > # > I'm still dealing with deer damage, wobbling w124s, broken macs, > > # > floor refinishing, tdi automatics, and the normal day job... > > # > > > # > meeting with the insurance adjuster tomorrow on the jetta... we'll > > # > see where we're at then... > > # > > > # > the w124 wobble appears to have been caused by bad FRONT shots, > > # > loose wheel bearings and an assortment of other stuff that I'll > > # > be paying for on Monday... got a call > > # > when I was in Eastern Washington letting me know the damages. The > > # > shop said the timing chain isn't making any noise when cold so it's > > # > ok for now, big job... > > # > > > # > funny how the front end guy at Les Schwab didn't find anything... > guess > > # > this confirms my recommendations to avoid any franchise outfit... sad > > # > because the other tech there correctly diagnosed stuff on my other > 124. > > # > > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > > > # > > > # > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # > > > # > # Not mine. A 1974 W115 240D nearby is being scrapped (going to > > # > # crushers this coming Friday). Lots of parts, many with only a few > > # > # hundred miles on them. It cracked a piston. > > # > # > > # > # John, or anyone else local (he's in the Ravenna/Sand Point area), > > # > # if you could go down there with me to help me figure out what parts > I > > # > # should try to get, that would be great. My W115 runs fine right > now, > > # > # but what should I plan on? He has offered the IP for $200 if I can > > # > # figure out how to get it out, and the water pump is almost new, > > # > # apparently. > > # > # > > # > # So far, have only picked up three spare oil filters, a bunch of > > # > # service manuals, both MB and Chilton's, and finally have a cover > for > > # > # my fuse box, with labels! (Been missing that for years.) > > # > # > > # > # Thanks! > > # > # > > # > # -bkc > > # > # Lynnwood, WA > > # > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > > # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > > # > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:29:46 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped How long does it take to learn welding to the level I would need? And how much does it cost? In concept, I would love to learn it. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > get the entire engine and sort it out later... > > it should bolt in from the rear, but you'll need to pull the timing gear off > the front via the front cover... > > take a welding class and learn how to weld... that way you can fix your frame. > > your car has a lot of sentimental value... fix it... swapping your good parts > to another car isn't an option... learn to weld and do body work... you're > capable of it... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # In order to take advantage of any body panels, my W115 needs a ton > # of framing repair, which isn't happening unless/until I come into a > # lot more income. Plus this parts car is not completely rust free, > # anyway (just much better than my East Coast origin one). > # > # I'm more concerned with pricey or hard to get mechanical and > # functional parts. Especially smallish ones that can fit on a shelf > # (like IP and water pump). > # > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > # > > # > another parking space? > # > > # > you don't need all that backyard... ;) > # > > # > doors? fenders? hood? you can hang that stuff on walls/rafters... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > > # > # I have no space for a spare car. It is bad enough with the limping > # > # Toyota on the side of the house. I can set aside some shelf space, > # > # but that's about it. > # > # > # > # Any advice on getting the IP out? I think my motor and tranny mounts > # > # are fine (replaced a few years ago). Front-end suspension was replaced > # > # in 1996-ish, so should be good for a while, still. Can't think of > # > # anything else I should get, other than totally random stuff I might > # > # never need... > # > # > # > # Any recommendations for specific items I should try to get? > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # > # > # > # On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > # > # > > # > # > why don't you get the whole thing and then you'd have > # > # > some rust free parts for yours... :) > # > # > > # > # > I'm still dealing with deer damage, wobbling w124s, broken macs, > # > # > floor refinishing, tdi automatics, and the normal day job... > # > # > > # > # > meeting with the insurance adjuster tomorrow on the jetta... we'll > # > # > see where we're at then... > # > # > > # > # > the w124 wobble appears to have been caused by bad FRONT shots, > # > # > loose wheel bearings and an assortment of other stuff that I'll > # > # > be paying for on Monday... got a call > # > # > when I was in Eastern Washington letting me know the damages. The > # > # > shop said the timing chain isn't making any noise when cold so it's > # > # > ok for now, big job... > # > # > > # > # > funny how the front end guy at Les Schwab didn't find anything... guess > # > # > this confirms my recommendations to avoid any franchise outfit... sad > # > # > because the other tech there correctly diagnosed stuff on my other 124. > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # Not mine. A 1974 W115 240D nearby is being scrapped (going to > # > # > # crushers this coming Friday). Lots of parts, many with only a few > # > # > # hundred miles on them. It cracked a piston. > # > # > # > # > # > # John, or anyone else local (he's in the Ravenna/Sand Point area), > # > # > # if you could go down there with me to help me figure out what parts I > # > # > # should try to get, that would be great. My W115 runs fine right now, > # > # > # but what should I plan on? He has offered the IP for $200 if I can > # > # > # figure out how to get it out, and the water pump is almost new, > # > # > # apparently. > # > # > # > # > # > # So far, have only picked up three spare oil filters, a bunch of > # > # > # service manuals, both MB and Chilton's, and finally have a cover for > # > # > # my fuse box, with labels! (Been missing that for years.) > # > # > # > # > # > # Thanks! > # > # > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # > # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # > # > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:31:55 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped Votech or jr college class, 3-6 wks. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Caruthers Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:29:46 To: Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] a W115 240D being scrapped How long does it take to learn welding to the level I would need? And how much does it cost? In concept, I would love to learn it. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > get the entire engine and sort it out later... > > it should bolt in from the rear, but you'll need to pull the timing gear off > the front via the front cover... > > take a welding class and learn how to weld... that way you can fix your frame. > > your car has a lot of sentimental value... fix it... swapping your good parts > to another car isn't an option... learn to weld and do body work... you're > capable of it... :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # In order to take advantage of any body panels, my W115 needs a ton > # of framing repair, which isn't happening unless/until I come into a > # lot more income. Plus this parts car is not completely rust free, > # anyway (just much better than my East Coast origin one). > # > # I'm more concerned with pricey or hard to get mechanical and > # functional parts. Especially smallish ones that can fit on a shelf > # (like IP and water pump). > # > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > # > > # > another parking space? > # > > # > you don't need all that backyard... ;) > # > > # > doors? fenders? hood? you can hang that stuff on walls/rafters... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > > # > # I have no space for a spare car. It is bad enough with the limping > # > # Toyota on the side of the house. I can set aside some shelf space, > # > # but that's about it. > # > # > # > # Any advice on getting the IP out? I think my motor and tranny mounts > # > # are fine (replaced a few years ago). Front-end suspension was replaced > # > # in 1996-ish, so should be good for a while, still. Can't think of > # > # anything else I should get, other than totally random stuff I might > # > # never need... > # > # > # > # Any recommendations for specific items I should try to get? > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # > # > # > # On Sun Sep 11, 2011, John Meister wrote: > # > # > > # > # > why don't you get the whole thing and then you'd have > # > # > some rust free parts for yours... :) > # > # > > # > # > I'm still dealing with deer damage, wobbling w124s, broken macs, > # > # > floor refinishing, tdi automatics, and the normal day job... > # > # > > # > # > meeting with the insurance adjuster tomorrow on the jetta... we'll > # > # > see where we're at then... > # > # > > # > # > the w124 wobble appears to have been caused by bad FRONT shots, > # > # > loose wheel bearings and an assortment of other stuff that I'll > # > # > be paying for on Monday... got a call > # > # > when I was in Eastern Washington letting me know the damages. The > # > # > shop said the timing chain isn't making any noise when cold so it's > # > # > ok for now, big job... > # > # > > # > # > funny how the front end guy at Les Schwab didn't find anything... guess > # > # > this confirms my recommendations to avoid any franchise outfit... sad > # > # > because the other tech there correctly diagnosed stuff on my other 124. > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # Not mine. A 1974 W115 240D nearby is being scrapped (going to > # > # > # crushers this coming Friday). Lots of parts, many with only a few > # > # > # hundred miles on them. It cracked a piston. > # > # > # > # > # > # John, or anyone else local (he's in the Ravenna/Sand Point area), > # > # > # if you could go down there with me to help me figure out what parts I > # > # > # should try to get, that would be great. My W115 runs fine right now, > # > # > # but what should I plan on? He has offered the IP for $200 if I can > # > # > # figure out how to get it out, and the water pump is almost new, > # > # > # apparently. > # > # > # > # > # > # So far, have only picked up three spare oil filters, a bunch of > # > # > # service manuals, both MB and Chilton's, and finally have a cover for > # > # > # my fuse box, with labels! (Been missing that for years.) > # > # > # > # > # > # Thanks! > # > # > # > # > # > # -bkc > # > # > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # > # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > # > # > # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT > # > # > # (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > # > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3482 **********************************