From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Fri Nov 4 17:46:00 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:46:02 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 diesel-benz-digest Saturday, November 5 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3503 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Re: [db] When things were "simple" Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 05:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: [db] When things were "simple" I couldn't agree more with this guy's sentiments... http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" > I couldn't agree more with this guy's sentiments... > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php > > Jim > Amen. I've just been investigating this very subject. Specifically, we need a new toaster. Do you know that there are no good toasters anymore? None. Every single consumer toaster - without exception - lasts a couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw away our 15 year old toaster because we were moving and she wanted something nicer. Mistake. The closest I've seen to quality is the Dualit toasters - supposedly hand made in England. You can even buy parts for them. They have exposed screws. But wait - apparently now they're using Chinese timers which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from turning off. Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. I settled on a "Breville" toaster - computerized, motorized, no doubt made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher Schlemmer, with a lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is that they do stand by their guarantees. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:58:27 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" nice! I want one of these : http://www.kancept.com/kancepts/show/Transparent_Toaster--28 ;-) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > I couldn't agree more with this guy's sentiments... > > > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php > > > > Jim > > > Amen. > > I've just been investigating this very subject. Specifically, we need > a new toaster. Do you know that there are no good toasters anymore? > None. Every single consumer toaster - without exception - lasts a > couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw away our 15 year old > toaster because we were moving and she wanted something nicer. > Mistake. > > The closest I've seen to quality is the Dualit toasters - supposedly > hand made in England. You can even buy parts for them. They have > exposed screws. But wait - apparently now they're using Chinese timers > which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from turning off. > Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. > > I settled on a "Breville" toaster - computerized, motorized, no doubt > made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher Schlemmer, with a > lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is that they do stand by > their guarantees. > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" Yeah, I just did a little research on a "Breville" toaster only to find a "Smart Toaster" for $129!!! I don't WANT or NEED a friggin SMART toaster!!! Grrrrrrrrr!!!! Just give me a "plain" toaster that makes bread into toast for $20. Seems to me you should be able to make a simple toaster in the USofA for $20. And my wife constantly complains that I keep to much "junk". Well, it may look like junk to her but it WORKS and will keep working as long as I need it! Jim - --- On Fri, 11/4/11, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > From: Jerry Kaidor > Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" > To: "Jim Hoffman" > Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 10:56 AM > > I couldn't agree more with this > guy's sentiments... > > > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php > > > > Jim > > > Amen. > > I've just been investigating this very > subject. Specifically, we need > a new toaster. Do you know that there are no good > toasters anymore? > None. Every single consumer toaster - without > exception - lasts a > couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw away > our 15 year old > toaster because we were moving and she wanted something > nicer. > Mistake. > > The closest I've seen to quality is the > Dualit toasters - supposedly > hand made in England. You can even buy parts for > them. They have > exposed screws. But wait - apparently now they're > using Chinese timers > which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from turning > off. > Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. > > I settled on a "Breville" toaster - > computerized, motorized, no doubt > made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher > Schlemmer, with a > lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is that > they do stand by > their guarantees. > > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" re: http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php agree with this guy, electronics in cars is a bad idea... happy I'm going the SD33T route... Jerry, also found out the same thing about water heaters... we have a 27 year old water heater, it works fine... doesn't leak (we have excellent water on the green side of the mountains up here in the PNW as one would expect)... I talked to plumbers, builders, friends, romans and countrymen... word on the street was that the new ones will last about as long as the warranty.. so I've moved stuff away from the base of the heater so I can do a visual daily on this one... ...anyone know where I can buy a water detector alarm? :) I'm not going to spend that kind of coin to replace something that is working for something that won't for long... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Nov 2011, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > I couldn't agree more with this guy's sentiments... # > # > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php # > # > Jim # > # Amen. # # I've just been investigating this very subject. Specifically, we need # a new toaster. Do you know that there are no good toasters anymore? # None. Every single consumer toaster - without exception - lasts a # couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw away our 15 year old # toaster because we were moving and she wanted something nicer. # Mistake. # # The closest I've seen to quality is the Dualit toasters - supposedly # hand made in England. You can even buy parts for them. They have # exposed screws. But wait - apparently now they're using Chinese timers # which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from turning off. # Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. # # I settled on a "Breville" toaster - computerized, motorized, no doubt # made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher Schlemmer, with a # lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is that they do stand by # their guarantees. # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" very cool... well... reading the comments, not likely to be hot enough to make toast... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Nov 2011, Stephen Rigley wrote: # nice! # I want one of these : # http://www.kancept.com/kancepts/show/Transparent_Toaster--28 ;-) # # On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # # > > I couldn't agree more with this guy's sentiments... # > > # > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php # > > # > > Jim # > > # > Amen. # > # > I've just been investigating this very subject. Specifically, we need # > a new toaster. Do you know that there are no good toasters anymore? # > None. Every single consumer toaster - without exception - lasts a # > couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw away our 15 year old # > toaster because we were moving and she wanted something nicer. # > Mistake. # > # > The closest I've seen to quality is the Dualit toasters - supposedly # > hand made in England. You can even buy parts for them. They have # > exposed screws. But wait - apparently now they're using Chinese timers # > which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from turning off. # > Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. # > # > I settled on a "Breville" toaster - computerized, motorized, no doubt # > made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher Schlemmer, with a # > lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is that they do stand by # > their guarantees. # > # > - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" Maybe not... according to one of the last posters: "Just a bit about the science of toasting. Toast is toast because sugars only on the outside of the bread slice are caramalized (by heating above 170 degress centigrade - http://www.foodscience- avenue.com/2010/05/caramelization.html). Because we want the inside of the toast to be moist and unburnt, the heat has to be applied at a fairly fast rate only to the surface of the toast, and this is conventionally done with radiant energy. That's why all toasters have elements that glow "orange hot", or use a bare flame (that has a lot of radiant energy). If one doesn't heat a slice of bread with radiant energy, all one will get will be a "double baked" slice of bread, crusty-like all the way through" ;) Jim - --- On Fri, 11/4/11, Stephen Rigley wrote: > From: Stephen Rigley > Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" > To: jerry@tr2.com > Cc: "Jim Hoffman" , diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 10:58 AM > nice! > I want one of these : > http://www.kancept.com/kancepts/show/Transparent_Toaster--28 > ;-) > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jerry Kaidor > wrote: > > > > I couldn't agree more with this guy's > sentiments... > > > > > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php > > > > > > Jim > > > > > Amen. > > > > I've just been investigating this > very subject. Specifically, we need > > a new toaster. Do you know that there are no > good toasters anymore? > > None. Every single consumer toaster - without > exception - lasts a > > couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw > away our 15 year old > > toaster because we were moving and she wanted > something nicer. > > Mistake. > > > > The closest I've seen to quality is > the Dualit toasters - supposedly > > hand made in England. You can even buy parts for > them. They have > > exposed screws. But wait - apparently now > they're using Chinese timers > > which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from > turning off. > > Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. > > > > I settled on a "Breville" toaster - > computerized, motorized, no doubt > > made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher > Schlemmer, with a > > lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is > that they do stand by > > their guarantees. > > > > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:36:59 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" Am devastated.. that's my bubble burst.. ;-) Sent from my 8086 (as it still works just fine) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Jim Hoffman wrote: > Maybe not... according to one of the last posters: > > "Just a bit about the science of toasting. Toast is toast because > sugars only on the outside of the bread slice are caramalized (by > heating above 170 degress centigrade - http://www.foodscience- > avenue.com/2010/05/caramelization.html). Because we want the inside > of the toast to be moist and unburnt, the heat has to be applied at a > fairly fast rate only to the surface of the toast, and this is > conventionally done with radiant energy. That's why all toasters have > elements that glow "orange hot", or use a bare flame (that has a lot > of radiant energy). If one doesn't heat a slice of bread with radiant > energy, all one will get will be a "double baked" slice of bread, > crusty-like all the way through" > > ;) > > Jim > > --- On Fri, 11/4/11, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > From: Stephen Rigley > > Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" > > To: jerry@tr2.com > > Cc: "Jim Hoffman" , diesel-benz@digest.net > > Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 10:58 AM > > nice! > > I want one of these : > > http://www.kancept.com/kancepts/show/Transparent_Toaster--28 > > ;-) > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jerry Kaidor > > wrote: > > > > > > I couldn't agree more with this guy's > > sentiments... > > > > > > > > http://www.edn.com/article/519804-What_quality_is_and_isn_t.php > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Amen. > > > > > > I've just been investigating this > > very subject. Specifically, we need > > > a new toaster. Do you know that there are no > > good toasters anymore? > > > None. Every single consumer toaster - without > > exception - lasts a > > > couple of years and then breaks. My wife threw > > away our 15 year old > > > toaster because we were moving and she wanted > > something nicer. > > > Mistake. > > > > > > The closest I've seen to quality is > > the Dualit toasters - supposedly > > > hand made in England. You can even buy parts for > > them. They have > > > exposed screws. But wait - apparently now > > they're using Chinese timers > > > which can malfunction and prevent the toaster from > > turning off. > > > Serious bad news, a toaster that doesn't turn off. > > > > > > I settled on a "Breville" toaster - > > computerized, motorized, no doubt > > > made in China. But I bought it from Hammacher > > Schlemmer, with a > > > lifetime guarantee. The word on the street is > > that they do stand by > > > their guarantees. > > > > > > > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" > Yeah, I just did a little research on a "Breville" toaster only > to find a "Smart Toaster" for $129!!! I don't WANT or NEED a > friggin SMART toaster!!! *** Actually, I really don't need one either. I honestly would have been happier with the stone age simplicity of the Dualit. What I really chose - - and bought - was that Hammacher Schlemmer lifetime guarantee. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:52:38 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" Anybody know where to get a 25" wide microwave with a knob? I am trying very hard not to buy any more "touch-panel" controlled appliances. Maybe I should have fixed the vintage 1981 microwave I took out of my wall oven. Eric Ditwiler Director, Academic Operations Harvey Mudd College 909-607-3134 On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: >> Yeah, I just did a little research on a "Breville" toaster only >> to find a "Smart Toaster" for $129!!! I don't WANT or NEED a >> friggin SMART toaster!!! > > *** Actually, I really don't need one either. I honestly would have been > happier with the stone age simplicity of the Dualit. What I really chose > - and bought - was that Hammacher Schlemmer lifetime guarantee. > > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:00:16 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" In 1954 my dad bought a Toasmaster - chromed 2 slot with press down mechanical trigger, one knob for setting darkness and Bakelite furniture ( I was 2 years of age). He was still using in in 2001 when he passed away, I gave it to the maid that helped dad with housekeeping in his later years. All it took was the foresight to buy 4 sets of spare elements wound onto mica backing plate. Every now and then one would fail and he just replaced it and that was it. This is what is called quality (and a bit of planning). And don't get me started on the Frigidaire, it lasted 47 years without a hitch other than replacing the door seal that the parrot ate (deciding it was tasty?). If I find a Toastmaster at an antique show I will be bringing it home, they are QUALITY. Edward On 11/4/2011 12:52 PM, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > Anybody know where to get a 25" wide microwave with a knob? > > I am trying very hard not to buy any more "touch-panel" controlled > appliances. > > Maybe I should have fixed the vintage 1981 microwave I took out of my wall > oven. > > > Eric Ditwiler > Director, Academic Operations > Harvey Mudd College > 909-607-3134 > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > >>> Yeah, I just did a little research on a "Breville" toaster only >>> to find a "Smart Toaster" for $129!!! I don't WANT or NEED a >>> friggin SMART toaster!!! >> *** Actually, I really don't need one either. I honestly would have been >> happier with the stone age simplicity of the Dualit. What I really chose >> - and bought - was that Hammacher Schlemmer lifetime guarantee. >> >> >> - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] When things were "simple" it's funny that something from the '80s is "quality"... let's see, besides my hot water heater I have two '83 J10s, an '87 300d (that's for sale again... still?) and an '85 300d (son's).... plus, both of my kids were born in the 80s... hmmm... and we had Reagan in the 80's... :) I was in Germany... then at itt, then at intel... and boeing... guess the 80s were pretty good... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 4 Nov 2011, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # In 1954 my dad bought a Toasmaster - chromed 2 slot with press down # mechanical trigger, one knob for setting darkness and Bakelite furniture ( I # was 2 years of age). He was still using in in 2001 when he passed away, I # gave it to the maid that helped dad with housekeeping in his later years. # All it took was the foresight to buy 4 sets of spare elements wound onto mica # backing plate. Every now and then one would fail and he just replaced it and # that was it. # # This is what is called quality (and a bit of planning). And don't get me # started on the Frigidaire, it lasted 47 years without a hitch other than # replacing the door seal that the parrot ate (deciding it was tasty?). If I # find a Toastmaster at an antique show I will be bringing it home, they are # QUALITY. # # Edward # # # # On 11/4/2011 12:52 PM, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # > Anybody know where to get a 25" wide microwave with a knob? # > # > I am trying very hard not to buy any more "touch-panel" controlled # > appliances. # > # > Maybe I should have fixed the vintage 1981 microwave I took out of my wall # > oven. # > # > # > Eric Ditwiler # > Director, Academic Operations # > Harvey Mudd College # > 909-607-3134 # > # > On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > # > > > Yeah, I just did a little research on a "Breville" toaster only # > > > to find a "Smart Toaster" for $129!!! I don't WANT or NEED a # > > > friggin SMART toaster!!! # > > *** Actually, I really don't need one either. I honestly would have been # > > happier with the stone age simplicity of the Dualit. What I really chose # > > - and bought - was that Hammacher Schlemmer lifetime guarantee. # > > # > > # > > - Jerry # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 **********************************