From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Thu Nov 10 11:16:00 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:16:14 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 diesel-benz-digest Thursday, November 10 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3503 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? [db] xj: Alternate user for a Cherokee (fwd) [db] SAE adapters - engine swap info Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:37:10 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? As I understand it, the most significant difference is that the higher the cetane rating, the more easily it will burn in the engine, i.e., the more easily it will start when it's cold outside, and the more cleanly it will burn, so you'll use more of the available energy, which means better power and economy. I'm not surprised that the truck stops are at the minimum. The competition for those big tank sales is ruthless, and they can't afford the additives for the higher cetane. Those who care can buy them separately. Jason To: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net, dbl , john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:47:28 -0800 (PST) All our Amoco stations are switched to BPs. No Chevrons in this part of the country. Shell is abundant but expensive. Only THREE Sinclair stations in the entire state, closest is 1.5 hours away. Interesting stuff though. Will have to find the Marathon stations around me. Interesting that the Love's, Flying J and Pilots are all at the minimum. As I understand it, there is a significant difference between 40 and 46 cetane. Jim - --- On Tue, 11/8/11, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? > To: "Jim Hoffman" , owner-diesel-benz@digest.net, "dbl" > Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 10:38 AM > Shell is 46. Bp is higher, they > provide the arcos that sell fuel for less, but charge more > if you use credit. > > Will have to give chevron a try. > > Any idea how much difference there really is between say 40 > and 46? > > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Hoffman > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:31:57 > To: > Subject: RE: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? > > And there's your Chevron up there at 49!!! So your > wife and your > mechanic > were right!! > > Jim > > --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Greg Fiorentino > > wrote: > > > From: Greg Fiorentino > > > Subject: RE: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? > > To: > "'Jim Hoffman'" , > "'john'" > > Cc: > diesel-benz@digest.net > > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 7:35 PM > > Good > question Jim! Yesterday I > > was cetane-clueless, except that I > > understand > organic chemistry-speak, having been a chem > > major in one of my > > former > lives. Today I am acquiring a diesel vehicle > > driver's practical > > > understanding of cetane thanks to my net friends and > > Google. > > > > Here's a > clip I found on: > > > > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/991979-diesel-fuel-differences-by-brand.ht > > > ml > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > > > > > ***Cetane levels by fuel company. To ensure accuracy > if you > > have a level > to > > add to the list please forward an email from a > corporate > > office to me, > and I > > will add it to the list. Please bear in mind that the > > current > minimum from > > refiners in North America is 40. Depending on the > quality > > of > the oil used as > > well as refining processes you'll find 40-42 from > refiners > > > in the US and > > Canada. Anything above that has to do with specific > > > companies additive > > packages. When companies give a minimum value then it > will > > be listed as a > > single number. When a company gives a range of > numbers > bear > > in mind that > > more often than not you'll probably find the lower > number > > rather than the > > higher number. If 40 is listed then it generally > means that > > fuel is bought > > as is from the refiner--if someone messes up and > doesn't > > put in enough > > additive at the refinery then that can cause major > problems > > for your fuel > > system. It's recommended therefore that if you get > the > > inexpensive fuel with > > low cetane you use a cetane booster > (PowerService, Redline > > 85+ or Stanadyne > > are all great choices), or run a > little biodiesel in the > > tank. If something > > higher than 42 is listed then > the retailer adds their own > > additive package > > in addition to the standard > refinery additive package. > > Generally speaking as > > long as 49 or higher is > listed you do not need to worry > > about adding any > > additives yourself. > > > > > BP (Amoco branded), 51; > > Chevron, 49; > > PetroCanada, 47-51 > > Marathon, 45-47 > > BP (Powerblend 47, otherwise 40-42) > > Shell, 46; > > Sinclair, 46; > > Sunoco > Gold, 45 (often +1-5) Sunoco regular is usually 40. > > Holiday Stations, 40-43 > > HESS, 40-42, can be up to 45. > > Husky, 40 + diesel Max additives raise > another 1-3 from > > there (41-45 max) > > Love's: 40 > > Pilot: 40 > > Valero: 40 > > > Flying J, 40 > > > > **************************************************** > > > > I > have no idea as to the validity of this data, I am merely > > presenting it as > > > found. > > > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] > > On > > > Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 3:47 PM > > To: Greg > Fiorentino; john > > Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net; > > 'Mercedes Discussion List' > > > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Fuel Differences? > > > > Sure, but I would assume that > Greg was referring to same > > time of year, > > etc. so > > you would be able to > ignore blending discrepancies. > > > > So, how do we find cetane > > ratings? And > just what does cause the > > differences in color between some > > distributors?? > Poorer quality? > > I see no notices on pumps around here about > > blending with > biodiesel. > > > > Jim > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/7/11, john > > > wrote: > > > > > From: john > > > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel > Fuel > > Differences? > > > To: "Greg Fiorentino" > > > Cc: > > diesel-benz@digest.net, > > "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > > > > > > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > there are a variety of factors. > > > > > > > > 1) cetane rating > > > 2) mix of > bioDiesel > > > 3) is it #1 or #2 or blended? > > (depends on region, here in > > > > the PNW all we see is #2) > > > > > > #1 used in the > > winter is a weaker mix, > less cetane but > > > lower pour point to avoid gelling. > > > > > #2 will have more > power but gels in the 34 degree > > > neighborhood. > > > > > > (hint > > to those > travelling from warm to cold climates... if > > > you expect cold > > weather, > that is > > > in the low 30's to teens even, add ONE GALLON of > > regular > > > > > > unleaded to about 20 gallons of Diesel, > > > this will prevent gelling - you > can > > also use a mix of > > > Kerosene and Diesel, say 50-50 or so, YMMV, > > > > but Kerosene > > is really spendy stuff... You can also > > > use an additive to > prevent gelling, > > but > > > I have never had problems putting a gallon of > that > > really > > > bad smelling > > stuff called gasoline... ;) > > > > > > > > > unlike > octane ratings I know of no > > requirement to post the > > > provided Cetane > rating... > > > > > > adding gasoline to > > Diesel results in thinning, but also a > > > more rapid burn, so be careful not > > > > > to add too much or you'll melt > pistons... don't lug > > > it when using gas as a > > thinner... > > > > > > > > > > there is often a note on the brand names that say "up > > to > > > > > 5%" > bioDiesel". > > > > > > bioDiesel lowers mileage and energy... > typically... > > > unless > > > it's made from the really good stuff... > > > which isn't usually the > > case. > > > > > > the Ultra low sulfur fuel can be a concern for > > lubricity... > > > I > > think that's why they are mixing > > > in some bioDiesel, from what I've > read > > BioDiesel has > > > greater lubricity than regular Diesel. > > > > > > > California got > > their chops busted when they pulled sulfur > > > from the fuel > and wiped out a > > bunch > > > of big rig's pumps... > > > > > > > > > selfish plug: > amsoil sells some fine > > fuel additives > > > and conditioners, one of the > products > > > is called cetane > > boost, the link in my sig file will get > > > > you to the info, sales pitch and an > > opportunity > > > to purchase and provide > a tired old webmaster some > > lunch > > > > > money... ;) > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > > > Snohomish, Washington - > where > > Jeeps and VWs don't > > > rust, they mold > > > > > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > > TRSTGZS > > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > > > > > > # One of my > mechanics > > swears that some diesel brands yield > > > significantly > > > # > better economy than > > others. My wife subscribes to > > > this theory also. > Based > > > # on recent > > unscientific and statistically insignificant > > > > tests, I am beginning > > > # to > > think this may be so. > > > # > > > # > > > > # > > > # Do any of you experienced > > dieselers care to weigh in on > > > this > sure-to-be > > > # controversial topic? > > > # > > > # > > > # > > > # Greg > > > > # ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4eb9e7956915114b9fbbst01vuc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] xj: Alternate user for a Cherokee (fwd) rusted body... NO PROBLEM.... recreate your childhood... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ed Kummel To: xjlist Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: xj: Alternate user for a Cherokee http://www.mypowerblock.com/photo/gearhead-of-the-week-39 I want one... Ed web/gadget guru - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Oh Yeah...That's the stuff!" Stewie Griffin, Family Guy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] SAE adapters - engine swap info B B B useful links for SAE adapters: Here is a link to the pattern: http://www.perfprotech.com/store/App_Themes/PPT/images/tech-specs/bell_housin g_dimensions.pdf B Here is another link that explains SAE and industrial enegines. http://www.foleyengines.com/FreeTechnicalInfo/DrDieselShopKinks/SAEBellHousin gs.aspx B ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Scott Hyde To: CJ-10List@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:29:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: CJ10A The one in My CJ-10 is a big block MOPAR pattern.B I thought it was different when I tried bolting up the BB MOPAR scattershield but I was just missing the dust cover no the bottom of the bell.B It bolts to the BB MOPAR aluminum transmission adapter that bolts to the engine.B The manual transmission bell used in the Scout on the T19 uses a SAE#4 bolt pattern on the bell face that bolts to the cast iron transmission adapter (SAE#4 pattern where the bell bolts up) and that bolts to the engine.B if you look online at SAE#4 patterns it shows a round pattern like the bell face of the Scout manual application and back side of the engine adapter.B That pattern is the standard SAE#4 not the side that bolts to the engine itself.B That part is a Nissan proprietary pattern.B Lots of engines use the SAE#4 pattern on the bell side but their engine side is proprietary for their engine bolt pattern. B Here is a link to the pattern: http://www.perfprotech.com/store/App_Themes/PPT/images/tech-specs/bell_housin g_dimensions.pdf B Here is another link that explains SAE and industrial enegines. http://www.foleyengines.com/FreeTechnicalInfo/DrDieselShopKinks/SAEBellHousin gs.aspx B B Scott A. Hyde NRA Life Member NRA Certified Rifle and Pistol Instructor USPSA Member ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 **********************************