From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat Nov 12 08:16:00 2011 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:16:20 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 diesel-benz-digest Saturday, November 12 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3503 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: crud Re: [db] YMMV Re: [db] Re: crud Re: [db] Re: crud Re: [db] YMMV [db] finally, realistic looking flames... Re: [db] finally, realistic looking flames... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:53:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: crud good strategy, make the transition slowly... almost all modern synthetics have a high detergent component... fwiw, there are engine cleaners that can be run before an oil change, old school trick is to run a quart of Diesel or Kerosene in the engine shortly before an oil change... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # # # # # > sometimes you can see the deposits under the valve covers... # # or on the bottom of your oil fill cap # # I start with the half synth Mobil 1 and then switch to full synth mobil 1 and then Amsoil so all the crud does not come free at once and clog up passageways. # # And I would say that I can feel the difference between a conventional oil and a group IV synthetic--the car just has more get up and go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] YMMV 97 Dodge Grand Caravan... 305,000 miles and still going with "pus". 98 Ford Windstar... 215,000 miles and still going with "pus". I guess my vehicles LOVE "pus"!! ;) Jim PS. My diesels all have run Shell Rotella T - --- On Thu, 11/10/11, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: Re: [db] YMMV > To: "Jim Hoffman" > Cc: diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 3:44 PM > having been into several engines that > have run pennzoil, quakerstate > and valvoline I've seen all the nasty crud and varnish and > deposits > that stuff leaves... it's hideous... don't > see it in engines running > other types of dino oil like delo or havoline or kendall or > castrol (although > they had issues for a while too). > > when was the last time you dropped your oil pan and took a > good look up in there? :) > > rose colored safety glasses won't help... you'll still see > it. > > I'll see if I can find the pictures of what I'm talking > about... > > regular oil changes help, but the deposits will still > appear, the oil itself > has something in it that leaves deposits and then of course > the additive package > breaks down... > > most of the quick lube places use this kind of oil because > it's less expensive, > maybe it's paraffins, don't know what it is, but it shows > up... and when you > switch to synthetic it usually cleans the stuff out... and > in some cases clogs > oil galleries and ruins the engine, and of course the > synthetics got the blame > for it... > > sometimes you can see the deposits under the valve > covers... > > john > > > > - ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't > rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > TRSTGZS > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # I've been running that "pus" as you call it in all my > gasoline > # vehicles since > # I owned my first vehicle and my mileage is always on > # par with what you'd > # expect for that vehicle. > # > # So, again, keep adjusting those rose colored > # glasses... > # > # :) > # > # And WHAT funny fields? I'm not aware of any around > me. I'd > # like > # to know if there ARE any though!! ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Thu, 11/10/11, john > # > wrote: > # > # > From: john > # > Subject: Re: > # [db] YMMV > # > To: "Jim Hoffman" > # > Cc: > # diesel-benz@digest.net > # > Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 3:01 PM > # > not > # surprised that you'd think > # > that... ;) > # > are they burning those funny fields > # near you > # > again? :) > # > > # > actually, I'm still trying to decide if I'm going > # to keep > # > this thing, or just > # > take a loss and part with it... > # > > # > > # ...filling up this morning was a test... if it hadn't > # > improved after the oil > # > change we wouldn't be having this > conversation... but > # > since I've been > # undoing > # > what the PO did, the car is starting to behave as a > 124 > # > with a > # good engine should... > # > > # > there is hope for this thing... now I have to > # figure why > # > the nose rides higher > # > and there is a little looseness over > # uneven surfaces... > # > handles like it's > # > on rails... goes straight, etc. > # power is better than > # > my '91, which makes > # > sense since it has an extra > # bucket and another > # > 500cc... :) it wasn't > # > so when it was being run on > # that pus called pennzoil... > # > thinking I should > # > change the filter here, I > # suspect that there's going to be > # > a lot of crap > # > being collected as the > # synthetic gets rid of all the > # > deposits... > # > > # > john > # > ----- > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where > # Jeeps and VWs don't > # > rust, they mold > # > > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > TRSTGZS > # > > # http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > > # > # Me thinks you put on the > # rose colored glasses as > # > well... > # > # > # > # ;) > # > # > # > # Jim > # > # > # > # --- > # On Thu, > # > # 11/10/11, john > # > wrote: > # > # > # > # > From: > # john > # > # > Subject: [db] YMMV > # > # > To: > # > # > Date: > # Thursday, November 10, 2011, 1:30 PM > # > # > > # > # just saw a 17% improvement in > # fuel > # > # > economy... > # > # > changed from what the PO's > # > # use of pennzoil > # to Amsoil... > # > # > > # > # > had been getting 21.82 mpg > # > # > this tank > # > > # # jumped to 25.54 mpg > # > # > > # > # > (in town, and the latest reading is > with > # a much > # > # heavier > # > # > right foot... new found power and all > that... these > # > 3.0L > # > # > Turbo > # > # Diesels > # > # > have a lot of power and are quick... > # which this > # > one > # > # > wasn't) > # > # > > # > # > > # > # this is pretty typical of > # what I've seen in the past in > # > # > other vehicles, > # > # > my > # > # WJ 4.7L > # went from 18.2 to 21.3 on the same stretch of > # > # > I-5. > # > # > my '87 XJ was > # > # getting about 17 mpg in town, on dino oil > the > # > # > 4.0s would be > # > # > > # in the 15-16 > # > # range. > # > # > > # > # > ordinarily I don't notice the change > # because I > # > usually > # > # > change to > # > # amsoil > # > # > immediately upon fleet > # acquistion. :) > # > and when > # > # > it runs better I > # > # drive > # > # > it > # harder, so I don't usually see the improvement, > # > I use > # > # > it... :) > # > # > > # > # > Now I'm wondering if I put on lighter > shoes if > # > it'll go up > # > # > > # even more... :) > # > # > > # > # > So, right now it's about where I'd > expect the > # '87 > # > 300D to > # > # > be... my '91 > # > # 300D > # > # > with one less cylinder and > # 500cc less got close to > # > 30 in > # > # > town, and as > # > # low > # > # > as 26 on > # biodiesel... my '83 300SD got about > # > 26 in > # > # > town with the > # > # older > # I-5 TD. > # > # > > # > # > john > # > # > ----- > # > # > > # > # > # > > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > # > Snohomish, > # Washington - where > # > # Jeeps and VWs don't > # > # > rust, they mold > # > # > > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > # > TRSTGZS > # > # > > # > > # # http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > # > > # > > # # > # > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Re: crud Or ATF - --- On Thu, 11/10/11, john wrote: > From: john > Subject: [db] Re: crud > To: "Eric Ditwiler" > Cc: "diesel-benz list" > Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 3:53 PM > good strategy, make the transition > slowly... almost all modern synthetics have a high > detergent component... > > fwiw, there are engine cleaners that can be run before an > oil change, > > old school trick is to run a quart of Diesel or Kerosene in > the engine shortly before an oil change... > > john > > > > ----- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't > rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > TRSTGZS > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > > # > # > # > # > # > sometimes you can see the deposits under the valve > covers... > # > # or on the bottom of your oil fill cap > # > # I start with the half synth Mobil 1 and then switch to > full synth mobil 1 and then Amsoil so all the crud does not > come free at once and clog up passageways. > # > # And I would say that I can feel the difference between a > conventional oil and a group IV synthetic--the car just has > more get up and go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: crud yes. that's probably better than Diesel or Kerosene, better lubrication, higher detergent! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Or ATF # # # --- On Thu, 11/10/11, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: [db] Re: crud # > To: "Eric Ditwiler" # > Cc: "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 3:53 PM # > good strategy, make the transition # > slowly... almost all modern synthetics have a high # > detergent component... # > # > fwiw, there are engine cleaners that can be run before an # > oil change, # > # > old school trick is to run a quart of Diesel or Kerosene in # > the engine shortly before an oil change... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't # > rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > TRSTGZS # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011, Eric Ditwiler wrote: # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # > sometimes you can see the deposits under the valve # > covers... # > # # > # or on the bottom of your oil fill cap # > # # > # I start with the half synth Mobil 1 and then switch to # > full synth mobil 1 and then Amsoil so all the crud does not # > come free at once and clog up passageways. # > # # > # And I would say that I can feel the difference between a # > conventional oil and a group IV synthetic--the car just has # > more get up and go. # > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:50:56 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] YMMV On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:30:17 -0800 (PST), Jim Hoffman wrote: > PS. My diesels all have run Shell Rotella T My whole fleet runs on Rotella T. The Diesels get it, as does the old Jaguar. The latter can not take synthetics - it leaks like a sieve (even more so than usual for a vintage British car!) when filled with synthetic oil. Plus it has flat tappets and the Rotella T 15-45 formulation has enough ZDDP (based on my email conversation with a Shell chemist) to keep those tappets and cam lobes happy. - --chuck goolsbee bend, oregon, usa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] finally, realistic looking flames... for that truly custom look: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/07/watch-this-lamborghini-gallardo-win-a-race-on-fire/?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-sb-bb|dl16|sec3_lnk3|110579 :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:11:56 GMT From: "jasonbassett@juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] finally, realistic looking flames... Apparently the bumper got a bit too close to the exhaust system.....it seems that nothing critical to the engine got damaged, as one of the clips showed it driving around scorched (but by then extinguished, mercifully!) Jason - ---------- Original Message ---------- From: john To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: [db] finally, realistic looking flames... Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:48:20 -0800 (PST) for that truly custom look: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/07/watch-this-lamborghini-gallardo-win-a-race - -on-fire/?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-sb-bb|dl16|sec3_lnk3|110579 :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ebe7ed1af9e01026929st03vuc ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3503 **********************************