From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sun Mar 11 18:29:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:28:48 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3549 diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 12 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3549 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] surprise snow... it was 60 degrees yesterday... 40 today... :) [db] OT - question on Xfr case with CRD Re: [db] OT - question on Xfr case with CRD [db] [WJ-Grand] RE: OT - question on Xfr case with CRD (fwd) [db] snow and moon, grass and sun... 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] surprise snow... it was 60 degrees yesterday... 40 today... :) of course it's 30 right now... took a short video of the jetta tdi wagon making the loop on the driveway... had a little trouble getting up the drive, even though it was just a dusting... the drive is much steeper than it looks. :) anyone who's been here can confirm that... :) http://fotomeister.us/2012/03-Mar-05-surprise-snow/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:42:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] OT - question on Xfr case with CRD Have a friend in South America who is trying to find out what kind of fluid the transfer case on a 2004 WJ Grand Cherokee with the 2.7L CRD takes... it's full time... We didn't get those jewels here... sounds like a Quadratrac II system similiar to what I had on my '99 WJ... WHAT TRANSFER CASE was used with the '04 WJ with the CRD? What fluid does it require? He's got the Mopar part number... THE MANUAL RECOMMENDS USING Mopar 05016796 FLUID FOR THE T-CASE... ANY EQUIVALENT RATING/BRAND/TYPE AVAILABLE? thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT - question on Xfr case with CRD you got that right Edward... it's not as bad with Chrysler, but it was really interesting with AMC... we'd find oil, gear lube or atf in the xfr cases... anything but atf in a np228/229/219 meant death of the viscous coupler... and then there were the old borg warner 1339 quadratracs... with a special substance unknown to chemists, alchemists, gearheads and physicists alike... basic rule of thumb for the non-fancy jeep xfr cases: cast iron and gears - gear lube cast aluminum and chains - ATF if it has the word Quadra in it, it's gonna be a special sauce... this confirms what I found, disagree with this guy about mopar stuff being the only acceptable juice, the amsoil synthetic hydraulic/tractor stuff as listed previously worked fine in my WJs... http://www.wjjeeps.com/service/maintenance_wj.htm#TCASE john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # On 3/6/2012 11:42 AM, john wrote: # > Mopar 05016796 # http://www.wjjeeps.com/service/maintenance_wj.htm # http://www.truckmodcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10930 # http://jeepgarage.org/archive/index.php/t-24676.html # # Wow # # I feel sorry for you Jeep guys, no one seems to agree on anything when it # comes to fluids;-) # Edward # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] [WJ-Grand] RE: OT - question on Xfr case with CRD (fwd) sharing, didn't include y'all in case you were interested... considering that the 2.7 CRD is a benz engine, right??? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: john To: El PROFESOR 4X4 Cc: T.Halmshaw , JIM BLAIR JEEP EXPERT Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:57:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [WJ-Grand] RE: OT - question on Xfr case with CRD Dan, et. al. - '04 WJ Grand Cherokee with 2.7L CRD, the xfr case is an NV247 (or NV147 w/o low range) So, it's the NV247 transfer case... I read a european road test on the WJ with the 2.7L CRD, uses the same xfr case as the V8, found a wiki that describes the system, matches what I've owned. It could also be the NV147 if it doesn't have low range... same gerotor technology... the only other option is an NV242 selectrac... if it says Quadradrive it's got the NV247 or NV147 (without low range) The NV245 is NOT the one used, that was used in the WK, 2005 and newer jeeps... sorry jim... Amsoil says: go here, http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 select year/model, etc.... Automatic Transmission,42RE......AP4 Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATFQT) Automatic Transmission,45RFE......AP4 Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATFQT) Transfer Case,NV147......SLF [1] (this says nV147, but the Nv247 is the same xfr case with low range - same fluid) Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Fluid (ATHQT) Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-30 Product Code: ATHQT-EA Formulated for combinations of transmission, hydraulic systems, final drives, power take-off systems and wet brakes. Engineered specifically to meet the tough applications of heavy-duty farm and industrial equipment as well as commercial and residential lawn tractors. Ideal for lawn tractor hydrostatic transmissions. It's not ATF, it's not gear lube, it's not oil... it's kind of a hydraulic/transmission fluid, I think I still have some on my shop left over from my WJ... it's only about $9.85/qt. john On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, El PROFESOR 4X4 wrote: # # In case this piece of info helps ID the t-case, the manual asks for Mopar # 05016796 as a factory fluid... # Dan more info: Quadra-Drive (WJ) Quadra-Drive employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, torque is applied to the rear wheels under normal driving conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. In Quadra-Drive, the NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the two wheels. Applications: Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 1999b^S2004 [edit]Quadra-Trac II (WJ) Quadra-Trac II also employed the NV247 transfer case but lacked Quadra-Drive's front and rear Vari-Lok differentials.[3] Applications: Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 1999b^S2004 [edit]Quadra-Trac I (WJ) Quadra-Trac I consisted of the New Venture Gear NV147 transfer case, a version of the NV247 transfer case lacking neutral and low-range modes.[3] Applications: Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 2004 [edit]Quadra-Drive II (WK, XK) Quadra-Drive II consists of the New Venture Gear NV245 transfer case mated to front and rear electronic limited slip differential. It includes a Neutral mode and utilizes a 2.72 reduction gear ratio in low-range. Applications: Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK) 2005b^S2010 Jeep Commander (XK) 2006b^S2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_four-wheel-drive_systems ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WJ-Grand/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WJ-Grand/join (Yahoo! 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