From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sat May 12 07:50:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:50:05 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3587 diesel-benz-digest Saturday, May 12 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3587 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: Goodbye 300D? Re: [db] glowplug controller and fans Re: [db] Re: Goodbye 300D? Re: [db] local mechanic (was: and this endorsement just in for veggie oil...) Re: [db] glowplug controller and fans Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Goodbye 300D? we could have a car parting party... he who parts the quickest gets the most parts? (I promise not to cheat and bring my torch....) I should consider getting another compressor though... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12 May 2012, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # I feel your pain, Paul. Still mourning my '93 (especially as I deal with the issues in my "new" '87). # # Your loss value shouldn't be as problematic as mine. My major problem was that mine was still a few months away from being 20 years old, and therefore was still under normal depreciation calculations. '92 and older had high values already, falling under "classic" car ratings. Appraisal for mine came in at $6500+taxes and fees= about $7100 in the end. Minus $471 to buy it back for parts (*that* was a no-brainer!). # # I came out okay on the insurance payout side, but ended up overpaying for the replacement, since I didn't realize many of its problems until I started taking things apart. # # If you need a good appraiser for it, I highly recommend the one Allstate sent out for mine (to their credit, they immediately recognized that their computer calculation was probably wrong, even before I said anything). He drove up in a '92 300SD and knew his Mercedes models. Mark Olson at Future Forensics in Seattle (1-888-362-2511). I think he charges $400 (Allstate paid for it with mine). # # If you don't want the car for parts, I might, although I'll have to strip it quickly before my wife gets mad at having *two* wrecked cars in the driveway. :) # # -bkc # Lynnwood, WA # (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] # (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) # (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) # (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) # # # On Fri May 11, 2012, John Meister wrote: # > # > bummer... # > # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Paul-K-11may2012-Crashed300d.jpg # > # > well, Bruce just went through this with his... I think he came out alright... # > # > I'd suggest getting it towed out to your place so you can buy it back, or # > sell # > it to a friend for whatever your salvage value is... I have a nice Jeep # > pickup here that would do nicely with that engine and trans... ;) # > # > get some more pictures and I'll put them in the same area... # > # > without seeing more of the car it's hard to tell if it's really done # > for... Not sure where that towing place is... we're heading down # > to Bothell in the morning for a Mother's day thing, my daughter and # > son in law are taking their mothers to a fancy place for brunch... I can't # > pronounce half of the gourmet stuff they're going to use to ruin perfectly # > good meat and eggs... :) # > # > I'm sharing this with the list... I'm sure you'll get lots of good advice # > and moral support... # > # > dang, it's been a while since we talked... didn't realize your kids are # > driving already... TEMPUS FLUGIT... # > # > if they do low ball you ask for an appraiser... your car is quite valuable # > because it is economical, reliable and safe... # > # > here's the original pictures from when you bought it down in texas: # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Paul-Kershner-91-300d/ # > # > I haven't seen it since I replaced the high pressure seals in your IP # > and you installed the alarm in my '87. :) # > # > say hi to Duane for me when you see him... :) # > # > john # > # > # > On Fri, 11 May 2012, Paul Kershner wrote: # > # > # Hi John, # > # # > # This evening, I was having a nice time at Duane Fox's house in Machias, # > # having a few beers, and my son called to tell me he wrecked my Benz... # > # Apparently, he swerved to avoid a dog and hit a fire hydrant. Hydrant # > didn't # > # explode with water gushing and the boy is unhurt, but the airbags didn't # > # deploy and I think they may total it. Attached is a picture Connor took # > (You # > # want to post it on your website so I can link to it?). He said the # > passenger # > # pillar looks like it is bent, you can put your hand under the corner of # > the # > # windshield and touch the inside... # > # # > # I'm sure the Insurance company will try to low-ball me on the price of the # > # car, so how do I find out what it is worth and how much they should offer # > me? # > # I will probably get a call from the Insurance company tomorrow or Monday # > to # > # meet for an estimate. In any case, I think I will go look at it (its in # > # Snohomish at Kristoff's Towing) tomorrow. # > # # > # Paul # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:15 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] glowplug controller and fans 1. That's what I was afraid of. They're kind of pricey, even at wholesale. How reliable is it to get a used one? 2. Hopefully the same. Replacements are pricey. 3. That's what it *looked* like, but I never take that for granted with Rube involved. :) 4. I've forgotten which connector... :( (yes, have a multimeter, hopefully has the settings needed) 5. Pulling from the '93. Just responded to the Paul wreck post. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) On Sat May 12, 2012, John Meister wrote: > > 1) glowplug controller. NO - 602 = 5 cylinders 603= 6 cylinders > 2) fan setup, maybe... call Lynnwood MB and see if the p/n's are the same, 80% sure it'll be ok. > 3) glowplug controller replacement - easy, need a phillips screwdriver... I think... (been a while) > 4) check the glow plugs via that connector I showed you first... do you have a multimeter? (harbor fright sells one for cheap) > 5) get the correct light bulbs... :) > > did you see my post about Paul's 300d? his son took out a fire hydrant with it... :( > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2012, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # Will the glowplug controller and cooling fan/clutch/shroud off an OM602.962 work with an OM603.960? > # > # The glowplug light never goes off while waiting to start the engine, but goes off and stays off once the motor is going. John quickly decided it was the controller. > # > # The cooling fan (the one that attaches to the engine, near the serpentine stuff) on the 603 is just plain missing. Given that this has a #14 head, I want all the proper cooling systems in place before summer. > # > # What does it take to R&R the fan from one car to the other? > # > # I am assuming the glowplug controller is fairly straightforward? > # > # Slowly getting the '87 into proper condition. Replaced the rear door checks and all the brakes and the rear rotors last week, along with completely rewiring the center dash to fix the mess the PO made putting in a stereo. Rear doors open nicely now, and the braking distance is a good 1/3 of what it was with the crappy brakes it had on it. > # > # Rear windows don't operate, wondering whether there is a short in the child-lock somwhere. (And the right rear window regulator is either the wrong one or in upside down, since it angles up to collide with the door check container.) > # > # Planning to finish swapping interiors this weekend. ('93 leather to replace the '92 mb-tex.) Swapped rims/tires last weekend. Handles and stops like it should, now. Still need to diagnose the steering creak/clunk, then once that is fixed, get it aligned. > # > # Speaking of alignment, the sunroof needs alignment (missing pieces, I think -- corners pop up or drop down, takes a while to jiggle it until it seals up to close, but the actual sliding mechanism seems to work fine in all directions). > # > # Lots of lightbulbs missing. And it has a fuel leak somewhere on the driver's side, under the vacuum cut-off unit I think. > # > # Center vents don't open/close, but the fan and HVAC work (only cool, though, not cold--hoping it just needs a recharge). > # > # Good thing I have the wrecked car to pull things from... > # > # Thanks! > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:12:08 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] Re: Goodbye 300D? Of course, this means there are *two* 602's waiting for transplant (from the one pic posted, looked like Paul's motor should still be fine?). I'm still trying to find a 91-95 R129 SL300/320 donor/recipient for mine. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) On Sat May 12, 2012, John Meister wrote: > > we could have a car parting party... he who parts the quickest gets the most parts? > > (I promise not to cheat and bring my torch....) > > I should consider getting another compressor though... :) > > john > > > On Sat, 12 May 2012, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # I feel your pain, Paul. Still mourning my '93 (especially as I deal with the issues in my "new" '87). > # > # Your loss value shouldn't be as problematic as mine. My major problem was that mine was still a few months away from being 20 years old, and therefore was still under normal depreciation calculations. '92 and older had high values already, falling under "classic" car ratings. Appraisal for mine came in at $6500+taxes and fees= about $7100 in the end. Minus $471 to buy it back for parts (*that* was a no-brainer!). > # > # I came out okay on the insurance payout side, but ended up overpaying for the replacement, since I didn't realize many of its problems until I started taking things apart. > # > # If you need a good appraiser for it, I highly recommend the one Allstate sent out for mine (to their credit, they immediately recognized that their computer calculation was probably wrong, even before I said anything). He drove up in a '92 300SD and knew his Mercedes models. Mark Olson at Future Forensics in Seattle (1-888-362-2511). I think he charges $400 (Allstate paid for it with mine). > # > # If you don't want the car for parts, I might, although I'll have to strip it quickly before my wife gets mad at having *two* wrecked cars in the driveway. :) > # > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # > # On Fri May 11, 2012, John Meister wrote: > # > > # > bummer... > # > > # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Paul-K-11may2012-Crashed300d.jpg > # > > # > well, Bruce just went through this with his... I think he came out alright... > # > > # > I'd suggest getting it towed out to your place so you can buy it back, or > # > sell > # > it to a friend for whatever your salvage value is... I have a nice Jeep > # > pickup here that would do nicely with that engine and trans... ;) > # > > # > get some more pictures and I'll put them in the same area... > # > > # > without seeing more of the car it's hard to tell if it's really done > # > for... Not sure where that towing place is... we're heading down > # > to Bothell in the morning for a Mother's day thing, my daughter and > # > son in law are taking their mothers to a fancy place for brunch... I can't > # > pronounce half of the gourmet stuff they're going to use to ruin perfectly > # > good meat and eggs... :) > # > > # > I'm sharing this with the list... I'm sure you'll get lots of good advice > # > and moral support... > # > > # > dang, it's been a while since we talked... didn't realize your kids are > # > driving already... TEMPUS FLUGIT... > # > > # > if they do low ball you ask for an appraiser... your car is quite valuable > # > because it is economical, reliable and safe... > # > > # > here's the original pictures from when you bought it down in texas: > # > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/Paul-Kershner-91-300d/ > # > > # > I haven't seen it since I replaced the high pressure seals in your IP > # > and you installed the alarm in my '87. :) > # > > # > say hi to Duane for me when you see him... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > On Fri, 11 May 2012, Paul Kershner wrote: > # > > # > # Hi John, > # > # > # > # This evening, I was having a nice time at Duane Fox's house in Machias, > # > # having a few beers, and my son called to tell me he wrecked my Benz... > # > # Apparently, he swerved to avoid a dog and hit a fire hydrant. Hydrant > # > didn't > # > # explode with water gushing and the boy is unhurt, but the airbags didn't > # > # deploy and I think they may total it. Attached is a picture Connor took > # > (You > # > # want to post it on your website so I can link to it?). He said the > # > passenger > # > # pillar looks like it is bent, you can put your hand under the corner of > # > the > # > # windshield and touch the inside... > # > # > # > # I'm sure the Insurance company will try to low-ball me on the price of the > # > # car, so how do I find out what it is worth and how much they should offer > # > me? > # > # I will probably get a call from the Insurance company tomorrow or Monday > # > to > # > # meet for an estimate. In any case, I think I will go look at it (its in > # > # Snohomish at Kristoff's Towing) tomorrow. > # > # > # > # Paul > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:34:30 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] local mechanic (was: and this endorsement just in for veggie oil...) 1. Is that the Dave's listed on 212th or on 52nd? (Or yet another that Google Maps isn't showing me?) 2. That's kind of far unless I get desperate for a diagnosis... I'm still getting used to having a daily office job for the first time in 12 years. Commuting to Kirkland every day, now, and back to hacking OS code again (haven't done *that* kind of coding seriously in about 20 years). At least both cars have a working stereo now. Although my '76 is getting worse and worse mileage (runs great, no obvious major leaks). Need to check into that. :( - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) On Fri May 11, 2012, John Meister wrote: > well there's two wunderkind... > > 1) of course is Dave's Transmission Service in Lynnwood, father son operation. > > 2) is chuck eldridge, he used to have Everett First something or another tire or > alignment... works out of his own shop up in Stanwood/Arlington... guess he's > staying busy, can't get my benz in until Wed! will be cutting it close to > take it to Redding... > > man, I'm swamped... so much to do, so little time... I'm prepping to teach > another Linux class on line, need to rewrite the exercise scripts for a six > session class... instead of 12... > > just moved my server down to my office in the garage, just got everything > back on the network, waiting for the NAS to do all it's health checks... > had two bad network cables... one had a broken tab, no biggie, replaced > it with a new looking cable, wasn't getting an IP on the router... tried > a different port, nothing... ok, after resetting the cable modem/router > and my router and not seeing the port light up on the front I strung > another cat5 and lookie there, a green light... dang, that's cool... > > so now I start the migration back into my office which is going to > also be a TV room... this way I get to hang out with my wife, the > cat and my computers in a better climate controlled environment... > with decent chairs... > > well, I'm heading back into the house... it's late but I think I missed > an episode of Eureka this week... been busy with the class and other > stuff... :) > > john > > > On Fri, 11 May 2012, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # So who and where is this wunderkind mechanic? > # > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA > # > # > # On Thu May 10, 2012, John Meister wrote: > # > > # > fwiw, taking my 300D to a shop next week to figure out what's wrong with > # > the back end... also noticed that the right rear tire has a funny wear > # > pattern, this is GOOD, now we have a clue. The guy I'm taking it to is > # > one of the best... he had a shop in everett, but the bloodsucking > # > landlord was charging this guy $4500 a month to rent a narrow slice of a > # > so-so long building, I think he could diagonal park three vehicles... > # > and they went to increase his rent...and it was an old run down > # > building, concrete blocks... so the guy got fed up with the state taxes > # > and the rent and moved his operation to his house out in the woods... > # > now he's only got to put up with the state taxes... has a reasonable > # > shop rate and he's a good tech, have known him for over 20 years... he > # > solved problems on both mercedes and jeeps no one else could... straight > # > shooter... > # > > # > john > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:49:38 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] glowplug controller and fans Don't know what they run. I should check my plugs too. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Caruthers Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:15 To: Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] glowplug controller and fans 1. That's what I was afraid of. They're kind of pricey, even at wholesale. How reliable is it to get a used one? 2. Hopefully the same. Replacements are pricey. 3. That's what it *looked* like, but I never take that for granted with Rube involved. :) 4. I've forgotten which connector... :( (yes, have a multimeter, hopefully has the settings needed) 5. Pulling from the '93. Just responded to the Paul wreck post. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) On Sat May 12, 2012, John Meister wrote: > > 1) glowplug controller. NO - 602 = 5 cylinders 603= 6 cylinders > 2) fan setup, maybe... call Lynnwood MB and see if the p/n's are the same, 80% sure it'll be ok. > 3) glowplug controller replacement - easy, need a phillips screwdriver... I think... (been a while) > 4) check the glow plugs via that connector I showed you first... do you have a multimeter? (harbor fright sells one for cheap) > 5) get the correct light bulbs... :) > > did you see my post about Paul's 300d? his son took out a fire hydrant with it... :( > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2012, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > # Will the glowplug controller and cooling fan/clutch/shroud off an OM602.962 work with an OM603.960? > # > # The glowplug light never goes off while waiting to start the engine, but goes off and stays off once the motor is going. John quickly decided it was the controller. > # > # The cooling fan (the one that attaches to the engine, near the serpentine stuff) on the 603 is just plain missing. Given that this has a #14 head, I want all the proper cooling systems in place before summer. > # > # What does it take to R&R the fan from one car to the other? > # > # I am assuming the glowplug controller is fairly straightforward? > # > # Slowly getting the '87 into proper condition. Replaced the rear door checks and all the brakes and the rear rotors last week, along with completely rewiring the center dash to fix the mess the PO made putting in a stereo. Rear doors open nicely now, and the braking distance is a good 1/3 of what it was with the crappy brakes it had on it. > # > # Rear windows don't operate, wondering whether there is a short in the child-lock somwhere. (And the right rear window regulator is either the wrong one or in upside down, since it angles up to collide with the door check container.) > # > # Planning to finish swapping interiors this weekend. ('93 leather to replace the '92 mb-tex.) Swapped rims/tires last weekend. Handles and stops like it should, now. Still need to diagnose the steering creak/clunk, then once that is fixed, get it aligned. > # > # Speaking of alignment, the sunroof needs alignment (missing pieces, I think -- corners pop up or drop down, takes a while to jiggle it until it seals up to close, but the actual sliding mechanism seems to work fine in all directions). > # > # Lots of lightbulbs missing. And it has a fuel leak somewhere on the driver's side, under the vacuum cut-off unit I think. > # > # Center vents don't open/close, but the fan and HVAC work (only cool, though, not cold--hoping it just needs a recharge). > # > # Good thing I have the wrecked car to pull things from... > # > # Thanks! > # -bkc > # Lynnwood, WA ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3587 **********************************