From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Sun Jun 24 04:22:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:22:08 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3611 diesel-benz-digest Sunday, June 24 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3611 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... [db] in the news Re: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... Re: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... RE: [db] in the news RE: [db] in the news Re: [db] in the news Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... so... it seems the overwhelming wisdom is to keep the 300D and part with the Jetta... that makes a lot of economic sense... but there are many things I like about the jetta, at least in concept... while looking to see if there were any other jeep Diesels out there before making a long term committment with a payment... I stumbled upon an old XJ with the 2.1L Renault... oh yes, I know this engine quite well... right down to it's wet sleeves held in by o-rings, it's bosch injection pump, and it's paris-rhone alt/vacuum pump... but the pictures look good and I'd rather buy it outright and spend something on repairs than have a car payment... besides, if the renault engine turns into a blob of aluminum recycling material I can easily drop an OM617 into the hole, making use of the existing transmission and xfr case... no wiring changes... I'm actually quite excited about this latest find... oh, I've seen the 85-87 xj's with the TD advertised on and off and they are generally sad and pathetic vehicles that people won't lay to rest peacefully because of what they represent... this one looks pretty good to me... and I'm willing to give up the jetta for it... I mean it's not like I need to worry about having a car to get to work... if one dies, I have spares... and a bicycle... and my wife doesn't work so I can use hers... :) anyway... I didn't ask the more important question (that was answered by the list mom of a couple of lists... :) and that is SHOULD I BUY A LIBERTY CRD? The VM motori 2.8L CRD is Italian and isn't perfect, has some cool design features, like rocker arms that break instead of bending valves if your Jeep dealer didn't read the shop manual and thinks it has a timing chain... but otherwise... the KJ is not exactly my favorite Jeep... it's not my least favorite either... but I'll consider pretty much anything with a Jeep badge or a Diesel... having both is a major plus... So, y'all answered my question... keep the Benz... to which my wife just said, told you so... as far as the Liberty... mixed emotions... have driven a few, they drive better than the gas rigs... but... and they are more economical and less expensive than a grand cherokee with a Diesel... dang, if I was only born rich instead of good looking... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] in the news Ron... once again your in the news... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18553813 a little off topic... but based on your input about the previous incident, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to hear a local's take on things... in other news I may have found a perfect Jeep candidate for an eventual OM617 swap! :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:53:18 -0500 From: Alec Cordova Subject: Re: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... Yup. If that gen Liberty hadn't turned out looking so cartoonish somehow, then this would probably be an easier decision for you. What's this about an OM617 being able to bolt right up? Did I miss something one of the times I was out buying more popcorn? Even if it bolts up, can it handle the torque of a well tuned OM617? If so, I predict here and now that John will find a way to own that vehicle. More numbers will be shared from the research about what body might fit on that drivetrain. Will this be the FrankenDiesel that he keeps? Who knows? As usual, please continue to keep us advised. I'm trying different seasonings. Found a dry mix called Todd's Dirt from the Louisiana area that's rather tasty on popcorn. Alec On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM, john wrote: > so... it seems the overwhelming wisdom is to keep the 300D and part with the > Jetta... > that makes a lot of economic sense... but there are many things I like about > the jetta, > at least in concept... > > while looking to see if there were any other jeep Diesels out there before > making a > long term committment with a payment... I stumbled upon an old XJ with the > 2.1L Renault... > oh yes, I know this engine quite well... right down to it's wet sleeves held > in by o-rings, it's bosch injection pump, and it's paris-rhone alt/vacuum > pump... but > the pictures look good and I'd rather buy it outright and spend something on > repairs > than have a car payment... besides, if the renault engine turns into a blob > of aluminum > recycling material I can easily drop an OM617 into the hole, making use of > the existing > transmission and xfr case... no wiring changes... I'm actually quite excited > about > this latest find... oh, I've seen the 85-87 xj's with the TD advertised on > and off > and they are generally sad and pathetic vehicles that people won't lay to > rest peacefully > because of what they represent... this one looks pretty good to me... and > I'm > willing to give up the jetta for it... I mean it's not like I need to worry > about > having a car to get to work... if one dies, I have spares... and a > bicycle... and > my wife doesn't work so I can use hers... :) > > anyway... I didn't ask the more important question (that was answered by > the list mom of > a couple of lists... :) and that is SHOULD I BUY A LIBERTY CRD? The VM > motori 2.8L CRD > is Italian and isn't perfect, has some cool design features, like rocker > arms that break > instead of bending valves if your Jeep dealer didn't read the shop manual > and thinks it > has a timing chain... but otherwise... the KJ is not exactly my favorite > Jeep... it's > not my least favorite either... but I'll consider pretty much anything with > a Jeep badge > or a Diesel... having both is a major plus... > > So, y'all answered my question... keep the Benz... to which my wife just > said, told you so... > > as far as the Liberty... mixed emotions... have driven a few, they drive > better than > the gas rigs... but... and they are more economical and less expensive than > a grand cherokee > with a Diesel... > > dang, if I was only born rich instead of good looking... ;) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Diesel update... a twist in the plot... I like cartoons... but there are other issues, such as space utilization... and of course there's a lot of things that aren't right with that thing too... getting an old XJ and putting an OM617 in it makes perfect sense to me... http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/product_p/a-mb204.htm - $380 bucks... and http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/product_p/a-mb103.htm - $83.25 (oil pan kit)617 in it makes perfect sense to me... so it's come to this... putting dirt on your popcorn... I think that's a violation of the 5 second rule... even in Louisiana... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Alec Cordova wrote: # Yup. If that gen Liberty hadn't turned out looking so cartoonish # somehow, then this would probably be an easier decision for you. # # What's this about an OM617 being able to bolt right up? # Did I miss something one of the times I was out buying more popcorn? # # Even if it bolts up, can it handle the torque of a well tuned OM617? # If so, I predict here and now that John will find a way to own that vehicle. # More numbers will be shared from the research about what body might # fit on that drivetrain. # Will this be the FrankenDiesel that he keeps? Who knows? # # As usual, please continue to keep us advised. # I'm trying different seasonings. Found a dry mix called Todd's Dirt # from the Louisiana area that's rather tasty on popcorn. # # Alec # # On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM, john wrote: # > so... it seems the overwhelming wisdom is to keep the 300D and part with # the # > Jetta... # > that makes a lot of economic sense... but there are many things I like # about # > the jetta, # > at least in concept... # > # > while looking to see if there were any other jeep Diesels out there before # > making a # > long term committment with a payment... I stumbled upon an old XJ with the # > 2.1L Renault... # > oh yes, I know this engine quite well... right down to it's wet sleeves # held # > in by o-rings, it's bosch injection pump, and it's paris-rhone alt/vacuum # > pump... but # > the pictures look good and I'd rather buy it outright and spend something # on # > repairs # > than have a car payment... besides, if the renault engine turns into a blob # > of aluminum # > recycling material I can easily drop an OM617 into the hole, making use of # > the existing # > transmission and xfr case... no wiring changes... I'm actually quite # excited # > about # > this latest find... oh, I've seen the 85-87 xj's with the TD advertised on # > and off # > and they are generally sad and pathetic vehicles that people won't lay to # > rest peacefully # > because of what they represent... this one looks pretty good to me... and # > I'm # > willing to give up the jetta for it... I mean it's not like I need to worry # > about # > having a car to get to work... if one dies, I have spares... and a # > bicycle... and # > my wife doesn't work so I can use hers... :) # > # > anyway... I didn't ask the more important question (that was answered by # > the list mom of # > a couple of lists... :) and that is SHOULD I BUY A LIBERTY CRD? The VM # > motori 2.8L CRD # > is Italian and isn't perfect, has some cool design features, like rocker # > arms that break # > instead of bending valves if your Jeep dealer didn't read the shop manual # > and thinks it # > has a timing chain... but otherwise... the KJ is not exactly my favorite # > Jeep... it's # > not my least favorite either... but I'll consider pretty much anything with # > a Jeep badge # > or a Diesel... having both is a major plus... # > # > So, y'all answered my question... keep the Benz... to which my wife just # > said, told you so... # > # > as far as the Liberty... mixed emotions... have driven a few, they drive # > better than # > the gas rigs... but... and they are more economical and less expensive # than # > a grand cherokee # > with a Diesel... # > # > dang, if I was only born rich instead of good looking... ;) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold # > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) # > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 03:55:01 -0700 From: Subject: RE: [db] in the news From: john > Ron... once again your in the news... > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18553813 Nothing much, the president has been impeached and his supporters are not completely gruntled... Cheers, Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] in the news hmmm, not completely gruntled... your skillful use of language is quite amusing... glad you're ok, how's your Benz doing? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: # From: john # # > Ron... once again your in the news... # > # http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18553813 # # Nothing much, the # president has been impeached and his supporters # are not completely # gruntled... # # Cheers, # # Ron # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:15:55 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] in the news On Saturday 23 Jun 2012 11:53 my mailbox was graced by a message from john who wrote: > hmmm, not completely gruntled... > your skillful use of language is quite amusing... Sorry if I have flabbered your gast.... Cheers, Ron. - -- Wer auf die preussiche Fahne schwvrt, hat nichts mehr das ihm selber gehvrt. -- Walter Flex -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3611 **********************************