From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Wed Jul 4 12:21:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:20:57 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3617 diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 4 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3617 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costq Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs - vw 507 oil for DPF [db] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtkYl0gMjAwOSBKZXR0YSBUREkgbWFpbnRlbmFuY2UgY29zdHM=?= Re: [db] decision made... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:28:05 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs I found out that a number of vehicles use the turning plunger thing. Bought the complete kit at harbor fright yesterday for $49 on sale. I also picked up a spring compressor to do my struts for $14! Called pep boys and got the rear cylinder that's leaking on order for less than 60. The dealer pricing was pretty high. There is a good tdi list and several forums. Vw electricals are easily worn out, but generally easy to replace and not expensive at the dealer. Vw or benz? For me it was a hard choice, thankfully I now have working ac and better mileage with slightly more maintenance. That's a good deal and rust free. You're not going to have a lower cost entry into the tdi game. We paid 9.5k for our 02 sedan last year, I sold it for 9k. 116k on it. - ------Original Message------ From: Jim Hoffman Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl Subject: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Sent: Jul 1, 2012 08:36 So, for those of you that know anything about these machines, what are my biggest cost items going to be?? I'm already hearing about special tools to do brakes. Not too excited about that. I'll have to call my local parts place and see how much "pre-loaded" calipers would be. What else?? Jim __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs According to the tdiclub.com forum you shalt always use a "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil or, or, or, well, you WILL "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff 507.00 compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is NOT :( Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs PS... My Rotella T bottle claims to be a "low ash formulation" which is the killer for the DPF but doesn't list the VW 507.00 spec on their label. - --- On Sun, 7/1/12, Jim Hoffman wrote: > From: Jim Hoffman > Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs > To: diesel-benz@digest.net > Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 1:10 PM > According to the tdiclub.com forum > you shalt always use a > "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil or, or, or, well, you WILL > "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff 507.00 > compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is > NOT :( > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:16:44 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Will ck, should be. - ------Original Message------ From: Jim Hoffman Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:10 According to the tdiclub.com forum you shalt always use a "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil or, or, or, well, you WILL "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff 507.00 compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is NOT :( Jim __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:05:28 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Was going to suggest Harbor Freight - I did same a while back, the spring compressors and the rotating pressure device for the rear calipers (I damaged one caliper not knowing it had to rotate). The flex coupling of the exhaust pipe between the exhaust manifold and catalytic failed at about 100K miles, got an aftermarket part cheap instead of ordering OEM, lesson learned, don't do that, had to fight and file/bend things to get it to fit. As to costs - an independent charged me $850 for new water pump, idlers, timing belt and install, included all new bolts where these are recommended. I specified the 100,000 mile belt. The dealer quoted 1400 for same job. Front struts, bolt/nut set, rear shocks, and all mount kits that relate to same, plus bumpers for strut(may not need them but did not want to take it all apart and find I did) new bellows (same comment) plus rear shock mounts (all german made - not the Chinese stuff) so far has cost about $480 delivered to my door. I expect to do the work over the 4th of July. I am re-using the springs, unless I find any damage when I tear the car down so have not ordered any spring seats or bushes for the rear, hope they are still sound. All these came from idparts - easy to use online catalog/order system and prices near the best I have found. New accelerator pedal, the sensor on the old one wore out and the symptom is sudden loss of acceleration and engine computer puts it into 1200 RPM limp home mode. Took me a while to figure that one out as it was intermittent for months happening until it became a daily event. That item cost about 150 online. All the rest that has failed on the Jetta is minor. Water temp sensor, glow plug rail connector unit, one rear ABS (RH) sensor, the vacuum reservoir (little ball shape thingie under the engine cover, it gets brittle with age and the plastic nipple that connects to the vacuum line snaps). I don't think I have more than 130 bucks in all those combined and e-bay has been pretty good for this kind of item. My 2001 now has 137K on it, so I imagine your 240K has already had a lot of these things done to it. At least 3 T belt changes, if no one can show you proof of when last timing belt was changed, get it inspected or replace it and the water pump. I bought this car used at 66K miles 5 years ago and the price was $13,000 so I think $10K for a newer wagon even if more miles is not out of line. The PO commuted from where I live in SW MI to Chicago, both front fenders are rusting right about center of wheel position. When they start looking like swiss cheese I will replace both, they are not that expensive, paint will probably cost more, amazingly there is near zero rust underneath where I would have expected the road spray to hit. As to oil, since I dont have access to Amsoil have been using Mobil One 0-40 and it does meet the 505.1 or whatever the german spec is for the Jetta. I change it about every 6 K miles though everyone says you can go 10 k prefer to err on the safe side. Good luck with the wagon. Edward On 7/1/2012 12:28 PM, john wrote: > I found out that a number of vehicles use the turning plunger thing. Bought the complete kit at harbor fright yesterday for $49 on sale. I also picked up a spring compressor to do my struts for $14! Called pep boys and got the rear cylinder that's leaking on order for less than 60. The dealer pricing was pretty high. > > There is a good tdi list and several forums. > > Vw electricals are easily worn out, but generally easy to replace and not expensive at the dealer. > > Vw or benz? For me it was a hard choice, thankfully I now have working ac and better mileage with slightly more maintenance. > > That's a good deal and rust free. You're not going to have a lower cost entry into the tdi game. We paid 9.5k for our 02 sedan last year, I sold it for 9k. 116k on it. > > > ------Original Message------ > From: Jim Hoffman > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > To: dbl > Subject: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs > Sent: Jul 1, 2012 08:36 > > So, for those of you that know anything about these machines, what are > my biggest cost items going to be?? I'm already hearing about special > tools to do brakes. Not too excited about that. I'll have to call > my local parts place and see how much "pre-loaded" calipers would be. > > What else?? > > Jim > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costq myturbodiesel.com is also a very reliable site... they often run contrary to tdiclub.com on a few issues, when that happens, lean towards myturbodiesel.com the folks I know who are technically competent do. john ----- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- john-at- http://WAGONEERS.COM TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- support WAGONEERS.COM:buy AMSOIL@: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Jim Hoffman wrote: # According to the tdiclub.com forum you shalt always use a # "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil or, or, or, well, you WILL # "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff 507.00 # compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is NOT :( # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs - vw 507 oil for DPF this is what I'm running in my Jetta, had in my benz, and will have in my CRD this is what amsoil recommends: European Car Formula Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil (AEL) meets the 507 spec: AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated to meet or exceed the most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European gasoline or diesel vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications: b" VW 504.00/507.00 b" ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 b" Mercedes-Benz 229.51 b" BMW LL-04 b" Porsche C30 ======================================================================= full details from their webpage (see my sig file link) ======================================================================= European Car Formula Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil (AEL) A Low-SAPS, Low-Viscosity Formula for European Gasoline and Diesel Engines See Pricing Information or Place an Order Package sizes include: 1-Quart Bottle 1-Quart Bottles (case of 12) 5-Liter Bottle 5-Liter Bottles (case of 2) 30-Gallon Drum 55-Gallon Drum AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil provides exceptional performance and protection for high-performance European vehicles made by Volkswagen, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Porsche and more. 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AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is engineered to stay in grade despite rigorous operation throughout the extended drain intervals European automakers recommend. Formulated with a select additive package and shear-stable synthetic base oils, it meets strict ACEA and VW HT/HS requirements to provide outstanding wear protection throughout the entire drain interval. Low-SAPS Formulation Excessive sulfated ash, phosphorus and sulfur (SAPS) in motor oil can harm modern exhaust treatment devices. Diesel particulate filters (DPFs), for example, require low-SAPS motor oil to resist filter plugging. AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oilb^Ys low-SAPS formulation promotes optimum emissions system performance and life, allowing reduced maintenance costs. Maximum Fuel Economy AMSOIL European Car Formula is engineered with a lighter 5W-30 viscosity and friction modifiers to reduce friction for increased energy through-put. 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APPLICATIONS AMSOIL European Car Formula 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is formulated to meet or exceed the most demanding European specifications. It is recommended for European gasoline or diesel vehicles requiring any of the following performance specifications: b" VW 504.00/507.00 b" ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 b" Mercedes-Benz 229.51 b" BMW LL-04 b" Porsche C30 SERVICE LIFE Recommended for the extended drain intervals established by the vehicle manufacturer. Change oil filter at time of oil change. COMPATIBILITY AMSOIL European Car Formula Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil is compatible with conventional and synthetic motor oils. Mixing AMSOIL motor oils with other oils, however, will shorten the oilb^Ys life expectancy and reduce the performance benefits. AMSOIL does not support extended drain intervals where oils have been mixed. Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL motor oils. 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TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES European Car Formula 100% Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil (AEL) Kinematic Viscosity @ 100B0C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 12.3 Kinematic Viscosity @ 40B0C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 76.3 Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270) 159 Viscosity CCS, cP @ B0C (ASTM D-5293) 6350 (-30) Flash Point B0C (B0F) (ASTM D-92) 238 (460) Fire Point B0C (B0F) (ASTM D-92) 258 (496) Pour Point B0C (B0F) (ASTM D-97) - -43 (-45) Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800) 7.8 Four Ball Wear Test (ASTM D-4172B @ 40 kg, 75B0C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr), Scar, mm 0.45 Total Base Number 5.8 HTHS (cP) (ASTM D-4683) 3.7 ----- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- john-at- http://WAGONEERS.COM TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- support WAGONEERS.COM:buy AMSOIL@: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Jim Hoffman wrote: # PS... My Rotella T bottle claims to be a "low ash formulation" # which is the # killer for the DPF but doesn't list the VW 507.00 # spec on their label. # # # --- # On Sun, 7/1/12, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # > From: Jim Hoffman # # > Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs # > # To: diesel-benz@digest.net # > Date: Sunday, July 1, 2012, 1:10 PM # > According # to the tdiclub.com forum # > you shalt always use a # > "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil # or, or, or, well, you WILL # > "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff # 507.00 # > compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is # > NOT :( # > # > Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:30:49 -0700 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZGl0d2lsZXJAZy5obWMuZWR1?=" Subject: [db] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtkYl0gMjAwOSBKZXR0YSBUREkgbWFpbnRlbmFuY2UgY29zdHM=?= I use CH4 spec oil in my BEW tdi instead of VW 501.1 I don't know about the common rail engines. Check tdiclub.com I am sure this is well discussed. You may also want to install a bypass oil filter. Sent from my HTC on the Now Networki from Sprint! - ----- Reply message ----- From: "john" Date: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 11:16 am Subject: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs To: "Jim Hoffman" , , "dbl" Will ck, should be. - ------Original Message------ From: Jim Hoffman Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl Subject: Re: [db] 2009 Jetta TDI maintenance costs Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:10 According to the tdiclub.com forum you shalt always use a "VW 507.00 spec" motor oil or, or, or, well, you WILL "crap up your DPF". John, is your Amsoil stuff 507.00 compliant??? My old standby Shell Rotella T is NOT :( Jim __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:20:22 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] decision made... On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:30:40 +0000, john wrote: > My wife hits her head getting into the liberty. :). I had the same issue with the wife's CRD. It sold to a new family in SoCal last month. - --chuck goolsbee '07 BMW M Roadster, '79 450sl, '09 MB C300, '65 E-type bend, oregon, usa ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3617 **********************************