From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Tue Jul 31 22:45:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:45:19 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3632 diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 1 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3632 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Windshield wiper. [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:53:15 +0000 From: john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: [db] Windshield wiper. Amazing. Who would have thought? It's like some of the weird electrical issues encountered on old Jeeps and newer VWs. My jetta 4 way flasher was clicking at random, but worked fine and never flashed lights except when told to. I replaced the switch and it still did it. Turns out the turn signal switch in the column gets carbon buildup or something and makes partial contact. I sprayed in deoxidizer/contact cleaner (think I got it from you, right?) And it cleared it up. Weird. Ground issues are a big deal in old jeeps with frames. Fixed 90% of my problems by running a wire from the battery to the body, the frame, the engine and the cab... Need to run one to the bed next. :) John - ------Original Message------ From: Michael Frank Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: dbl Subject: [db] Windshield wiper. Sent: Jul 29, 2012 10:25 Did a bunch of basic mechanicals today. Changed oil, tranny fluid, power steering fluid. And filters, of course. Replaced the zebrano wood in the center console, cleaned the switchgear, spruced up the shifter boot. Then I tackled the wipers, which haven't been parking. After taking the wiper transmission apart (why? because someone told me there were electrical contacts in there, and I believe everything I read in an email). The problem was not the transmission, and for future reference, there is nothing electrical in there. Then I installed my spare wiper motor. The problem was not the wiper motor. Then I replaced the multifunction relay (the big black one in the fuse compartment...pn 2018210047). I did this just because I had a spare, and nothing else left to try. This relay controls a lot of stuff, including the intermittent wiper function. Only an inscrutable German engineer would classify "wiper park" as a special case of "intermittent wiper function". The spare relay did the trick. I took the old one apart, a waft of burned insulation smell, but no obvious problems. I'm tempted to debug the circuit, but maybe it's best left to the trash. I may pick up another spare on EBay. A mere three hours of tinkering. Next up: dashboard surgery to fix the A/C. Fenders should be here this week. Also a set of brand new sill covers. So I may be starting the bodywork as soon as next week. Mike Frank __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:00:38 -0400 From: Subject: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Greetings, When driving up a grade on a highway or being in slow traffic temp. needle creeps up nearly to the red. Radiator and thermostat was changed a couple of thousand miles ago and now I am looking a replacing the coolant reservoir cap and the viscous fan clutch. In the repair manual it is stated to keep the clutch upright when removing it. When you buy a new one from online parts suppliers it for sure it not kept upright during the transport. Wondering why it is not necessary to keep a new not upright all the time. For sure would appreciate an explanation. Cheers Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:41:28 +0000 From: john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo We need to cut one in half... Then we can see why. :) - ------Original Message------ From: wmpless@primus.ca Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Subject: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Sent: Jul 29, 2012 12:00 Greetings, When driving up a grade on a highway or being in slow traffic temp. needle creeps up nearly to the red. Radiator and thermostat was changed a couple of thousand miles ago and now I am looking a replacing the coolant reservoir cap and the viscous fan clutch. In the repair manual it is stated to keep the clutch upright when removing it. When you buy a new one from online parts suppliers it for sure it not kept upright during the transport. Wondering why it is not necessary to keep a new not upright all the time. For sure would appreciate an explanation. Cheers Wiard __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:01:46 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo Try bleeding air out of the cooling system, had a similar problem with my Pontiac van when I replaced the water pump. Pain to bleed it all out but it is a cheap thing to check first. Edward On 7/29/2012 3:00 PM, wmpless@primus.ca wrote: > Greetings, > When driving up a grade on a highway or being in slow traffic temp. needle > creeps up nearly to the red. > Radiator and thermostat was changed a couple of thousand miles ago and now I > am looking a replacing > the coolant reservoir cap and the viscous fan clutch. > In the repair manual it is stated to keep the clutch upright when removing it. > When you buy a new one > from online parts suppliers it for sure it not kept upright during the > transport. Wondering why it is not > necessary to keep a new not upright all the time. For sure would appreciate an > explanation. > Cheers Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:42:38 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo It would be a mess. They are filled with fluid. Which direction is "upright"? Mike Frnk At 03:41 PM 7/29/2012, john@wagoneers.com wrote: >We need to cut one in half... >Then we can see why. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:54:35 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo The silcone liquid which (dis)engages the clutch leaks out the front (where the spring-pressured pin is). I've been researching this a lot since I lost the pin on the viscous clutch I removed from the wrecked W124 to use on the '87, which came with no fan/clutch... For example: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/89145-write-up-fan-clutch-repair.html http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/95394-viscous-fan-clutch.html The boxes allegedly say to keep "this side up" but I doubt the shops and especially the shippers/stockers pay attention. Apparently this is likely why so many replacements are doa. - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (long overdue to be retired or sold) (ours) '87 MB 300D Turbo [W124.133/603.960] (acquired, 21Apr12) (ours) '91 MB 300SL-24 [R129.061/M104.981] (acquired, 25May12) (RIP) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (totaled, 28Mar12) On Sun Jul 29, 2012, John Meister wrote: > We need to cut one in half... > Then we can see why. :) > > > ------Original Message------ > From: wmpless@primus.ca > Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net > To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net > Subject: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo > Sent: Jul 29, 2012 12:00 > > Greetings, > When driving up a grade on a highway or being in slow traffic temp. needle > creeps up nearly to the red. > Radiator and thermostat was changed a couple of thousand miles ago and now I > am looking a replacing > the coolant reservoir cap and the viscous fan clutch. > In the repair manual it is stated to keep the clutch upright when removing it. > When you buy a new one > from online parts suppliers it for sure it not kept upright during the > transport. Wondering why it is not > necessary to keep a new not upright all the time. For sure would appreciate an > explanation. > Cheers Wiard > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:57:20 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] Fan clutch MB 300d 2.5turbo I think the auxiliary fans on these cars have a mind of their own. They don't even come on until the coolant is 105C, which seems just a tad late to me. On my todo list for this mini resto is to install a 190 degree fan switch and be done with all the wackiness. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:45:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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