From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Thu Aug 16 12:15:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:15:36 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3641 diesel-benz-digest Thursday, August 16 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3641 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] obd bluetooth reader? [db] administrivia: notes on using this list [db] 1987 190DT fuel line rusted just past flare Re: [db] 1987 190DT fuel line rusted just past flare [db] Liberty or TDI? an article in Diesel Power - best answer: Jeep AND VW Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo@digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone@BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone@bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw@digest.net or bmw-digest@digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty@suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty@krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com Subject: [db] 1987 190DT fuel line rusted just past flare All: Guess I should not have made any noise about hitting the 300k mark. I had a small fuel leak under the tank. Figured it was one of the rubber hoses and was happy to find it was leaking from the return line. My happiness was short lived. Turns out the hose was fine but the metal line is rusted through in the bend just past the flared end. Looks like I can cut the line further forward where it is straight and graft in a longer rubber hose. Seems like this is a reasonable solution. Anyone see issues with doing this? Do I need to put the double flare at the new end? The right answer is to replace the full line but... I didnt check at the dealer and the usual parts .COMs didnt list part numbers A2014761101 or A2014760701. Have to figure its a bitch to ship and would be even more so to put in the new one stem to stern. Thanks for input as always ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:33:33 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] 1987 190DT fuel line rusted just past flare If this is a temporary fix, go with the hose. Also look into coiled steel fuel line, it is a milder steel that you can work into shape by hand and flare with normal tool. Some of the McParts stores carry it. All you need is to be equal diameter to the old stuff or close. Edward On 8/15/2012 4:36 PM, jjs3rd@ix.netcom.com wrote: > All: > > Guess I should not have made any noise about hitting the 300k mark. > > I had a small fuel leak under the tank. Figured it was one of the rubber hoses and was happy to find it was leaking from the return line. My happiness was short lived. Turns out the hose was fine but the metal line is rusted through in the bend just past the flared end. > > Looks like I can cut the line further forward where it is straight and graft in a longer rubber hose. Seems like this is a reasonable solution. Anyone see issues with doing this? Do I need to put the double flare at the new end? > > The right answer is to replace the full line but... I didnt check at the dealer and the usual parts .COMs didnt list part numbers A2014761101 or A2014760701. Have to figure its a bitch to ship and would be even more so to put in the new one stem to stern. > > Thanks for input as always ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Liberty or TDI? an article in Diesel Power - best answer: Jeep AND VW A new friend shared this article... and a few others... I ran across another KJ CRD owner in the lot, turns out he also have a TDI... and he shared these articles with me... In the parking lot at work there are LOT of TDIs... as one would expect in a parking lot full of engineers... :) but when I saw the KJ CRD I had to talk to the guy... :) http://www.dieselpowermag.com/news/1103dp_jeep_liberty_crd_or_jetta_tdi_diese l/ (the text of the article below sig file) john '05 Jeep Liberty Limited 2.8L CRD/AT - in town so far 22mpg (silver) '02 VW Jetta TDI Wagon 1.9L TDI/AT - 30/40 mpg (silver) '83 J10 stepside 3.2L TD/AT - SD33T (under construction since 2001) est. 20/24 mpg (based on Scout) '83 J10 long bed white - we don't want to talk about the boat anchor 360's 8mpg... '97 Suburban k1500 (silver) - gets better mileage than the 360, but that's like saying that dying in a blizzard is better than dying in an avalanche... supposedly 16/19... we'll see it's getting the transmission rebuilt, turns out the PO to the PO(?) had it rebuilt incorrectly, parts were installed wrong, mismatched... the shop was surprised it held together this long... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: john To: john Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Liberty CRD Computer Mods (fwd) http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1110dp_jeep_liberty_crd_mileage_modificati ons/ http://www.dieselpowermag.com/news/1103dp_jeep_liberty_crd_or_jetta_tdi_diese l/ Jeep Liberty CRD Or Jetta TDI Diesel? What's the right second diesel vehicle to own? Text By Mike McGlothlin Diesel Power, March, 2011 1103Dp Jeep Or Jetta Diesel Jeep Liberty Diesel There comes a time in every man's life when he has to set the plans for his toys aside and adhere to his significant other's needs. If you can afford to fund both at the same time, I'm jealous. In my (our) situation, my fiancC)e needs an efficient vehicle for her 50-mile round-trip commute to work. We're looking for something ('05 to '10) with four doors, decent trunk space, and a used-vehicle price tag. Luckily for me, I'm marrying a woman who understands the diesel advantage-so the most important aspect of our search (finding a diesel powertrain) is certain. I'm proud to say that looking at gas-powered cars wasn't even an option. Few Options The challenge? There are no diesels in the United States in our price range. Think about it. The only modern diesel-powered passenger cars are the TDI Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, and the New Beetle (and no, we won't be caught dead in a Beetle). Option 1: Volkswagen A four-door Jetta Sedan was our first idea-because who doesn't want 40 mpg? The powerplants found in the Jettas range from the 100hp 1.9L inline-four, to the 140hp 2.0L inline-four common-rail engine. Volkswagen began using common-rail injection for the '07 model year, which replaced the previous unit-injector system. The one drawback to the Jetta is how well these cars hold their value-used TDIs are not cheap. However, that's also part of diesel's advantage to a potential buyer: You pay a little more now but benefit in the long run in terms of great fuel economy, few repairs, and increased longevity. Option 2: Jeep After our search for the perfect Jetta began, we found ourselves contemplating another four-wheel-drive vehicle. But, as we didn't see the need to have two trucks in the driveway getting 16 to 18 mpg, the Jeep lightbulb illuminated in my head. Remember the diesel-powered Jeep Liberty CRDs offered in '05 and '06 models? They came with the reputable common-rail 2.8L VM Motori four-cylinder, which made 160 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. Many people say the 2.8L can achieve as much as 27 mpg on the highway when coupled with the 545RFE transmission. Unfortunately, the diesel-powered Liberty was canceled after the '06 model year due to the Tier 2 emissions crunch of 2007. The Libertys hold their value, too. But they can be had for slightly less cash than a Jetta. And it would give me peace of mind knowing my future wife will have a front differential at her disposal during the winter months. While we're at completely different ends of the vehicle spectrum with our choices (you pretty much have to be when buying a newer diesel in North America), we have kept the options strictly diesel. Neither of us has an opinion one way or the other yet, but with a little seat time in each vehicle, a decision will be easier to reach. Based on all the letters we receive, I used to think a Jetta was the only viable option to stay connected with readers. However, the recent explosion of positive feedback I received from blogging about the possibility of owning a Jeep has me leaning toward the Liberty. But then again, 40 mpg (or more) on the highway always keeps the word Jetta on the tip of my tongue. It won't be an easy decision, but we'll make it-and you're sure to see our choice in the pages of Diesel Power in the coming months. Feel free to drop me a line and cast your vote. I'll be sure to run it by my fiancC)e. Mike McGlothlin michael.mcglothlin@sorc.com ... http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/1104dp_buying_a_used_jeep_liberty_crd/ Buying a Used Jeep Liberty CRD Life, Liberty, And... The Pursuit Of Compact Diesel Power Text By Mike McGlothlin Diesel Power, April, 2011 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3641 **********************************