From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Mon Sep 3 14:42:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 21:42:46 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3651 diesel-benz-digest Monday, September 3 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3651 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Boston Whaler Re: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration - followup on hard hot start issue [db] would a 300D 2.5L pull this? Re: [db] would a 300D 2.5L pull this? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:03:06 -0400 From: Subject: [db] Boston Whaler in general BWs are known as safe boats. Had small outboard motors and x2 what Edward P. advised already. Hopefully, you also got a VHF radio and sea charts. Currents and Tides not to be ignored. In Ontario you would need a licence to operate such a boat. PS any cracks in the gelcoat? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration - followup on hard hot start issue http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html sold the suburban this afternoon... will be looking for a top or some kind of shelter and a fuel tank for this thing... plan to stay close to shore with it... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Sigh!/././ something "new" with an engine for John to play with.....:-) a # hole in the water into which to place money. # # Check the oil level in the outboard, especially where the bevel gear drives # the propshaft and make sure nothing is seized from sitting - hand turn # engine without starting to make sure things move. Check all filters for # water, fuel tank too. Inspect all the flex hoses from the fuel tank to the # engine for cracks, also the seals on the quick connects, don't want it # sucking air. Inspect the prop for dings, missing pieces and cracks. Lube # everything that needs it. Check the bowden cables from controls to engine. # Check battery condition if it is electric start. # # Go online and buy owner and repair manuals, you are going to need them. Take # if from someone that has spent hours fixing other friends outboards when they # mess them up. I prefer sails myself but never saw fit to invest in owning a # boat with a 4 month sailing season:-) # # Edward # # # On 9/3/2012 12:06 PM, john wrote: # > I doubt anything bad could have happened to the pump... especially # > if there were filters in line... you would have noticed issues # > pretty quick. When the biodiesel clogged up my jetta filter I heard # > about it right away when it pulled up debris from the bottom of # > the pump... # > # > anyone know anything about Boston Whaler's? I think I just bought one... :) # > around a 20 footer... # > http://fotomeister.us/2012/09-Sep-01-Snohomish-Train/IMG_2247c-boston-whaler_2012-09-01.jpg # > http://fotomeister.us/2012/09-Sep-01-Snohomish-Train/IMG_2248_2012-09-01.jpg # > # > this is what happens when you go garage sale-ing with in-laws from South # > Dakota... # > # > I need a dummies guide to boating... we're going to take it out into the # > Puget # > Sound to tour the shoreline... take it down to Seattle from up here... # > should # > be fun. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # > education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, FParker wrote: # > # > # I don't know how these fuel lines would have gotten mixed up, but the # > PO # > # must have replaced the fuel heater valve o-ring (pretty common failure # > # with ultra-low sulfur fuel) and in doing so removed the whole unit and # > # then, when putting it back, he must have confused the hoses. That is # > # the best theory I can come up with. Of course, I never noticed it over # > # the last year because hoses in - hoses out "looks" right. # > # # > # There are four hoses to the valve - supply from pre filter, out to # > # heater, return from heater, and out to IP. The valve directs fuel to # > # the heater when cold, and bypasses to IP when warm. Well, my out to # > # heater was feeding the IP and the out to IP was going to the heater. # > # Obviously it "worked" because I was able to run the car, but it would # > # explain the hard starting when hot issue because the valve was # > # restricting flow to the IP - dough! # > # # > # Let's just hope there was no long term damage to the IP - they can be # > # pricy! This whole scenario is a strong argument to test the fuel # > # pressure entering the IP with a gauge as a starting point. It never # > # occurred to me to do that which is funny because it is standard process # > # on the Cummins engines which you all know I am quite fond of. # > # # > # Happy Labor Day! # > # # > # Fred # > # # > # # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # > # On Behalf Of john@wagoneers.com # > # Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 11:55 AM # > # To: Fred Parker; dbl # > # Subject: Re: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration # > # # > # # > # Great, hope that helped. Spent the last week with my brother-n-law and # > # some of his family. Had a great time. They left last night to head # > back # > # to SD. Now I have to sell this 97 suburban. :) ------Original # > # Message------ # > # From: Fred Parker # > # Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # > # To: dbl # > # Subject: RE: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration # > # Sent: Sep 1, 2012 17:04 # > # # > # Thanks John! I found a picture on your server and wouldn't you # > know.... # > # My car has been configured wrong at the fuel heater valve. This might # > # actually explain some of the hard starting when warm issues, but I'm # > not # > # sure yet. I jumped it for now and we'll see if there is any change in # > # performance. # > # # > # Fred # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # > # On Behalf Of john@wagoneers.com # > # # > # # > # # > # Fred, # > # # > # I might have pictures in the diesel benz tech section on my server. # > I'm # > # away from a computer. # > # ------Original Message------ # > # From: Fred Parker # > # # > # # > # Can one of you snap a picture of the low pressure fuel lines near the # > # injection pump for me? I have conflicting information on the correct # > # setup, particularly at the lift pump / fuel heater relay / and pre # > # filter. There is a chance my 1992 300D has been configured wrong... # > # # > # Thanks! # > # # > # Fred__ # > # # > # # > # # > # __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # > # # > # __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # > # # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] would a 300D 2.5L pull this? changing subject line... ;) http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, john wrote: # http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html # # sold the suburban this afternoon... # # will be looking for a top or some kind of shelter and a fuel tank # for this thing... plan to stay close to shore with it... :) # # john # # # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # # # Sigh!/././ something "new" with an engine for John to play with.....:-) a # # hole in the water into which to place money. # # # # Check the oil level in the outboard, especially where the bevel gear drives # # the propshaft and make sure nothing is seized from sitting - hand turn # # engine without starting to make sure things move. Check all filters for # # water, fuel tank too. Inspect all the flex hoses from the fuel tank to the # # engine for cracks, also the seals on the quick connects, don't want it # # sucking air. Inspect the prop for dings, missing pieces and cracks. Lube # # everything that needs it. Check the bowden cables from controls to engine. # # Check battery condition if it is electric start. # # # # Go online and buy owner and repair manuals, you are going to need them. Take # # if from someone that has spent hours fixing other friends outboards when they # # mess them up. I prefer sails myself but never saw fit to invest in owning a # # boat with a 4 month sailing season:-) # # # # Edward # # # # # # On 9/3/2012 12:06 PM, john wrote: # # > I doubt anything bad could have happened to the pump... especially # # > if there were filters in line... you would have noticed issues # # > pretty quick. When the biodiesel clogged up my jetta filter I heard # # > about it right away when it pulled up debris from the bottom of # # > the pump... # # > # # > anyone know anything about Boston Whaler's? I think I just bought one... :) # # > around a 20 footer... # # > http://fotomeister.us/2012/09-Sep-01-Snohomish-Train/IMG_2247c-boston-whaler_2012-09-01.jpg # # > http://fotomeister.us/2012/09-Sep-01-Snohomish-Train/IMG_2248_2012-09-01.jpg # # > # # > this is what happens when you go garage sale-ing with in-laws from South # # > Dakota... # # > # # > I need a dummies guide to boating... we're going to take it out into the # # > Puget # # > Sound to tour the shoreline... take it down to Seattle from up here... # # > should # # > be fun. # # > # # > john # # > # # > ----- # # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # # > education" # # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # # > # # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # > # # > On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, FParker wrote: # # > # # > # I don't know how these fuel lines would have gotten mixed up, but the # # > PO # # > # must have replaced the fuel heater valve o-ring (pretty common failure # # > # with ultra-low sulfur fuel) and in doing so removed the whole unit and # # > # then, when putting it back, he must have confused the hoses. That is # # > # the best theory I can come up with. Of course, I never noticed it over # # > # the last year because hoses in - hoses out "looks" right. # # > # # # > # There are four hoses to the valve - supply from pre filter, out to # # > # heater, return from heater, and out to IP. The valve directs fuel to # # > # the heater when cold, and bypasses to IP when warm. Well, my out to # # > # heater was feeding the IP and the out to IP was going to the heater. # # > # Obviously it "worked" because I was able to run the car, but it would # # > # explain the hard starting when hot issue because the valve was # # > # restricting flow to the IP - dough! # # > # # # > # Let's just hope there was no long term damage to the IP - they can be # # > # pricy! This whole scenario is a strong argument to test the fuel # # > # pressure entering the IP with a gauge as a starting point. It never # # > # occurred to me to do that which is funny because it is standard process # # > # on the Cummins engines which you all know I am quite fond of. # # > # # # > # Happy Labor Day! # # > # # # > # Fred # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # -----Original Message----- # # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # # > # On Behalf Of john@wagoneers.com # # > # Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 11:55 AM # # > # To: Fred Parker; dbl # # > # Subject: Re: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration # # > # # # > # # # > # Great, hope that helped. Spent the last week with my brother-n-law and # # > # some of his family. Had a great time. They left last night to head # # > back # # > # to SD. Now I have to sell this 97 suburban. :) ------Original # # > # Message------ # # > # From: Fred Parker # # > # Sender: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # # > # To: dbl # # > # Subject: RE: [db] Re: Fuel Line Configuration # # > # Sent: Sep 1, 2012 17:04 # # > # # # > # Thanks John! I found a picture on your server and wouldn't you # # > know.... # # > # My car has been configured wrong at the fuel heater valve. This might # # > # actually explain some of the hard starting when warm issues, but I'm # # > not # # > # sure yet. I jumped it for now and we'll see if there is any change in # # > # performance. # # > # # # > # Fred # # > # # # > # -----Original Message----- # # > # From: owner-diesel-benz@digest.net # # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz@digest.net] # # > # On Behalf Of john@wagoneers.com # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # Fred, # # > # # # > # I might have pictures in the diesel benz tech section on my server. # # > I'm # # > # away from a computer. # # > # ------Original Message------ # # > # From: Fred Parker # # > # # # > # # # > # Can one of you snap a picture of the low pressure fuel lines near the # # > # injection pump for me? I have conflicting information on the correct # # > # setup, particularly at the lift pump / fuel heater relay / and pre # # > # filter. There is a chance my 1992 300D has been configured wrong... # # > # # # > # Thanks! # # > # # # > # Fred__ # # > # # # > # # # > # # # > # __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # # > # # # > # __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # # > # # # > # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] would a 300D 2.5L pull this? btw, the guy just came in from picking up his crab pots with it... only real issue is the original fuel tank went bad... when this guy bought it years ago the engines were bad, had water in the carbs from the bad tank... he put a new motor on it and used smaller tanks... guess you get about an hour with the 9 gallon tank... will have to work on that issue... http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html a friend who has had 9 boston whalers said this is the banana hull... 20'... haven't heard a bad word about these boats anywhere... :) you guys worry too much about me..... you're so nice... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, john wrote: # changing subject line... ;) # # http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html # # # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, john wrote: # # # http://johnmeister.com/john/Boat/ALL.html # # # # sold the suburban this afternoon... # # # # will be looking for a top or some kind of shelter and a fuel tank # # for this thing... plan to stay close to shore with it... :) # # # # john # # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # # # # # Sigh!/././ something "new" with an engine for John to play with.....:-) a # # # hole in the water into which to place money. # # # # # # Check the oil level in the outboard, especially where the bevel gear drives # # # the propshaft and make sure nothing is seized from sitting - hand turn # # # engine without starting to make sure things move. Check all filters for # # # water, fuel tank too. Inspect all the flex hoses from the fuel tank to the # # # engine for cracks, also the seals on the quick connects, don't want it # # # sucking air. Inspect the prop for dings, missing pieces and cracks. Lube # # # everything that needs it. Check the bowden cables from controls to engine. # # # Check battery condition if it is electric start. # # # # # # Go online and buy owner and repair manuals, you are going to need them. Take # # # if from someone that has spent hours fixing other friends outboards when they # # # mess them up. I prefer sails myself but never saw fit to invest in owning a # # # boat with a 4 month sailing season:-) # # # # # # Edward ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3651 **********************************