From owner-diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Mon Oct 29 16:58:00 2012 From: diesel-benz-digest To: diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:58:03 +0000 Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #3684 diesel-benz-digest Monday, October 29 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3684 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:18:15 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) heh I dunno John... the last couple of Fiats I've had the pleasure of driving were of a much higher quality compared to the last couple of Chryslers I've driven. Think I wrote about my experiences with the Doblowe had for 3 weeks in Spain this summer? We really liked it, multijet diesel, nicknamed it "The Goat" (we were off paved roads quite a bit). A JTD in a Jeep... can only be a good thing considering the hassle I had with the VM. I think Suzuki are using Fiat Dieselsthese days too. Steve On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM, john wrote: > this just in... > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy > I'm sorry folks, but this just keeps getting worse... I mean AMC had > issues... but it was American... Chrysler did a few things that were > horrible, but a few more that were quite good... then they joined forces > with Mercedes/Daimler... that wasn't good... we lost "J" designators, live > axles and gained more street capable dodge-looking vehicles that lost their > jeepness... now this... THIS IS NOT GOOD... please, not "Fix It Again > Tony"... someone PLEASE rescue Jeep and bring it back to Toledo where it > BELONGS!!!! It's like that original Axis Powers are taking their revenge > upon an American Icon - first the Germans had a shot, now the Italians... > next it'll go to Japan to complete the tour... then maybe it'll come back > to America... if there's anything left... Jeep already looks more like > Dodge and other vehicles than Jeep, excluding of course the Wrangler... > but thinking of how they killed off the Grand Wagoneer, the J10, the XJ > cherokee, the WJ and all the "J"'s and messed up model designators... the > Jeep brand endures despite the poor designs, poor quality and failure to > make it "Jeep"... will someone please rescue JEEP and bring it back to > Toledo where it belongs??? thank you john ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > RTB&TRSTGZS > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:53:56 > -0700 Subject: RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning > spaghetti. Jeeps have always been a little higher maintenance, but this > will be really bad... you do know what FIAT stands for, right? fix it > again tony... an American icon damaged by Chrysler, injured by Mercedes and > now whacked by the Italians... amazing... only thing left to hurt them is > to transfer this to Japan so the entire Axis Force team can have their > revenge... J From: Tom R Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:39 PM To: > Meister, John Subject: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel > vehicles--burning spaghetti. > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) well, all we know of here in America is they weren't very good... a friend's mom had a new fiat 500... got rid of it quickly... limited sample size, and what we get here isn't what europe gets typically... but still, Jeep should be an American product made in America... but then again... jag, Rover, Rolls, MG, Bentley, Triumph, Aston Marton and so on should be made in the UK... and Volvo/Saab in the scandinavian countries... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Stephen Rigley wrote: # heh I dunno John... the last couple of Fiats I've had the pleasure of # driving were of a much higher quality compared to the last couple of # Chryslers I've driven. Think I wrote about my experiences with the # Doblowe # had for 3 weeks in Spain this summer? We really liked it, multijet # diesel, nicknamed it "The # Goat" # (we were off paved roads quite a bit). A JTD in a Jeep... can only be a # good thing considering the hassle I had with the VM. I think Suzuki are # using Fiat Dieselsthese # days too. # Steve # # On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM, john wrote: # # > this just in... # > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy # > I'm sorry folks, but this just keeps getting worse... I mean AMC had # > issues... but it was American... Chrysler did a few things that were # > horrible, but a few more that were quite good... then they joined forces # > with Mercedes/Daimler... that wasn't good... we lost "J" designators, live # > axles and gained more street capable dodge-looking vehicles that lost their # > jeepness... now this... THIS IS NOT GOOD... please, not "Fix It Again # > Tony"... someone PLEASE rescue Jeep and bring it back to Toledo where it # > BELONGS!!!! It's like that original Axis Powers are taking their revenge # > upon an American Icon - first the Germans had a shot, now the Italians... # > next it'll go to Japan to complete the tour... then maybe it'll come back # > to America... if there's anything left... Jeep already looks more like # > Dodge and other vehicles than Jeep, excluding of course the Wrangler... # > but thinking of how they killed off the Grand Wagoneer, the J10, the XJ # > cherokee, the WJ and all the "J"'s and messed up model designators... the # > Jeep brand endures despite the poor designs, poor quality and failure to # > make it "Jeep"... will someone please rescue JEEP and bring it back to # > Toledo where it belongs??? thank you john ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # > education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) # > RTB&TRSTGZS # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:53:56 # > -0700 Subject: RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning # > spaghetti. Jeeps have always been a little higher maintenance, but this # > will be really bad... you do know what FIAT stands for, right? fix it # > again tony... an American icon damaged by Chrysler, injured by Mercedes and # > now whacked by the Italians... amazing... only thing left to hurt them is # > to transfer this to Japan so the entire Axis Force team can have their # > revenge... J From: Tom R Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:39 PM To: # > Meister, John Subject: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel # > vehicles--burning spaghetti. # > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:52:14 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) Ah I see on the fiat USA site they only have the 500. Did you know rover and Saab are gone? On 29 Oct 2012 23:49, "john" wrote: > well, all we know of here in America is they weren't very good... > > a friend's mom had a new fiat 500... got rid of it quickly... > > limited sample size, and what we get here isn't what europe gets > typically... > > but still, Jeep should be an American product made in America... > > but then again... jag, Rover, Rolls, MG, Bentley, Triumph, Aston Marton > and so on should be made in the UK... > and Volvo/Saab in the scandinavian countries... :) > > john > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # heh I dunno John... the last couple of Fiats I've had the pleasure of > # driving were of a much higher quality compared to the last couple of > # Chryslers I've driven. Think I wrote about my experiences with the > # Doblo< > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z3zNd4S8bGA/T_LJXB8LlXI/AAAAAAAAK2A/2TSifE2t838/s400/20120609_151547.jpg > >we > # had for 3 weeks in Spain this summer? We really liked it, multijet > # diesel, nicknamed it "The > # Goat< > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7mwGH8D5CkY/T_LKVE2-l3I/AAAAAAAALA8/I-36xE6FW8I/s400/aviary_1340829500622.jpeg > >" > # (we were off paved roads quite a bit). A JTD in a Jeep... can only be a > # good thing considering the hassle I had with the VM. I think Suzuki are > # using Fiat Diesels< > http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120927-710272.html>these > # days too. > # Steve > # > # On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM, john wrote: > # > # > this just in... > # > > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy > # > I'm sorry folks, but this just keeps getting worse... I mean AMC had > # > issues... but it was American... Chrysler did a few things that were > # > horrible, but a few more that were quite good... then they joined > forces > # > with Mercedes/Daimler... that wasn't good... we lost "J" designators, > live > # > axles and gained more street capable dodge-looking vehicles that lost > their > # > jeepness... now this... THIS IS NOT GOOD... please, not "Fix It Again > # > Tony"... someone PLEASE rescue Jeep and bring it back to Toledo where > it > # > BELONGS!!!! It's like that original Axis Powers are taking their > revenge > # > upon an American Icon - first the Germans had a shot, now the > Italians... > # > next it'll go to Japan to complete the tour... then maybe it'll come > back > # > to America... if there's anything left... Jeep already looks more like > # > Dodge and other vehicles than Jeep, excluding of course the > Wrangler... > # > but thinking of how they killed off the Grand Wagoneer, the J10, the > XJ > # > cherokee, the WJ and all the "J"'s and messed up model designators... > the > # > Jeep brand endures despite the poor designs, poor quality and failure > to > # > make it "Jeep"... will someone please rescue JEEP and bring it back to > # > Toledo where it belongs??? thank you john ----- > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # > education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), > 1858-1919) > # > RTB&TRSTGZS > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 > 14:53:56 > # > -0700 Subject: RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel > vehicles--burning > # > spaghetti. Jeeps have always been a little higher maintenance, but > this > # > will be really bad... you do know what FIAT stands for, right? fix it > # > again tony... an American icon damaged by Chrysler, injured by > Mercedes and > # > now whacked by the Italians... amazing... only thing left to hurt > them is > # > to transfer this to Japan so the entire Axis Force team can have their > # > revenge... J From: Tom R Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:39 PM To: > # > Meister, John Subject: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel > # > vehicles--burning spaghetti. > # > > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel vehicles--burning spaghetti. (fwd) yes. :) I watch Top Gear.. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Ah I see on the fiat USA site they only have the 500. # Did you know rover and Saab are gone? # On 29 Oct 2012 23:49, "john" wrote: # # > well, all we know of here in America is they weren't very good... # > # > a friend's mom had a new fiat 500... got rid of it quickly... # > # > limited sample size, and what we get here isn't what europe gets # > typically... # > # > but still, Jeep should be an American product made in America... # > # > but then again... jag, Rover, Rolls, MG, Bentley, Triumph, Aston Marton # > and so on should be made in the UK... # > and Volvo/Saab in the scandinavian countries... :) # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # heh I dunno John... the last couple of Fiats I've had the pleasure of # > # driving were of a much higher quality compared to the last couple of # > # Chryslers I've driven. Think I wrote about my experiences with the # > # Doblo< # > https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z3zNd4S8bGA/T_LJXB8LlXI/AAAAAAAAK2A/2TSifE2t838/s400/20120609_151547.jpg # > >we # > # had for 3 weeks in Spain this summer? We really liked it, multijet # > # diesel, nicknamed it "The # > # Goat< # > https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7mwGH8D5CkY/T_LKVE2-l3I/AAAAAAAALA8/I-36xE6FW8I/s400/aviary_1340829500622.jpeg # > >" # > # (we were off paved roads quite a bit). A JTD in a Jeep... can only be a # > # good thing considering the hassle I had with the VM. I think Suzuki are # > # using Fiat Diesels< # > http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120927-710272.html>these # > # days too. # > # Steve # > # # > # On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM, john wrote: # > # # > # > this just in... # > # > # > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy # > # > I'm sorry folks, but this just keeps getting worse... I mean AMC had # > # > issues... but it was American... Chrysler did a few things that were # > # > horrible, but a few more that were quite good... then they joined # > forces # > # > with Mercedes/Daimler... that wasn't good... we lost "J" designators, # > live # > # > axles and gained more street capable dodge-looking vehicles that lost # > their # > # > jeepness... now this... THIS IS NOT GOOD... please, not "Fix It Again # > # > Tony"... someone PLEASE rescue Jeep and bring it back to Toledo where # > it # > # > BELONGS!!!! It's like that original Axis Powers are taking their # > revenge # > # > upon an American Icon - first the Germans had a shot, now the # > Italians... # > # > next it'll go to Japan to complete the tour... then maybe it'll come # > back # > # > to America... if there's anything left... Jeep already looks more like # > # > Dodge and other vehicles than Jeep, excluding of course the # > Wrangler... # > # > but thinking of how they killed off the Grand Wagoneer, the J10, the # > XJ # > # > cherokee, the WJ and all the "J"'s and messed up model designators... # > the # > # > Jeep brand endures despite the poor designs, poor quality and failure # > to # > # > make it "Jeep"... will someone please rescue JEEP and bring it back to # > # > Toledo where it belongs??? thank you john ----- # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they # > mold # > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # > # > education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), # > 1858-1919) # > # > RTB&TRSTGZS # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 # > 14:53:56 # > # > -0700 Subject: RE: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel # > vehicles--burning # > # > spaghetti. Jeeps have always been a little higher maintenance, but # > this # > # > will be really bad... you do know what FIAT stands for, right? fix it # > # > again tony... an American icon damaged by Chrysler, injured by # > Mercedes and # > # > now whacked by the Italians... amazing... only thing left to hurt # > them is # > # > to transfer this to Japan so the entire Axis Force team can have their # > # > revenge... J From: Tom R Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:39 PM To: # > # > Meister, John Subject: All JEEPS to become alternative fuel # > # > vehicles--burning spaghetti. # > # > # > http://nlpc.org/cached/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy.html?q=stories/2012/10/29/fiat-says-chrysler-jeep-production-may-move-italy # > # # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #3684 **********************************