Date: 07 May 97 13:38:02 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: 258 info. from a CIS Forum
I felt the 258 sect might be interested in the following:
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FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 05-May-97 20:14:59
Subject: #Jeep 258 woes - Msg Number #38904
From: John H. Vandergrift 72714,3260
To: All
Forum: FOURWD Section: 16 - Jeep Vehicles
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I had the pleasure(?) of spending this past weekend with my brother trying to
change a 258 cid long block in his '85 CJ7. This turned out to be a fiasco. I
had only this weekend, which I took off work and spent away from my family to
help my brother. Stripping his old block and removing the engine from the Jeep
proved to be more tedious than anything else. It wasn't really hard, just time
consuming, but not too bad.
My brother had ordered an AMC 258 cid long block through Auto Zone, and was
able to get a pretty good deal, at least price wise (less than $900 after core
charge return). Not too bad, we thought. However, as the weekend developed,
this has proven to be a problem engine. As it turns out, the engine we
removed form his Jeep had engine stampings of "84" for the year of manufacture
on both the block and the head. The remanufactured long block had a year of
manufacture of "82", and the head "83". Not a real problem, at least at first
look. What transpired is that the '84 head in the Jeep is set up with the
plastic valve cover, and has studs for the head bolts (to attach the left side
of the plastic valve cover)--the remanufactured head had flat-topped bolts.
The '84 head with this plastic valve cover also has the right side tapped for
the 1/4-20 shoulder bolts that attach this plastic valve cover. The '83 head
is tapped for 5/16-18 bolts, I presume for the metal valve cover. Now, this
isn't altogether *that* bad (yet), considering the tendency of the plastic
valve cover to leak, but when one is trying to get the engine re-installed
over a weekend, acquiring a replacement part such as that is a bit difficult,
to say the least. Now add this to the equation: the manifold holes to attach
the exhaust and intake manifolds are tapped about 1 mm too far apart on both
sides to allow the manifold bolts to be installed, without modification of the
manifold bolt holes. (Of course, they mate perfectly with the '84 head!) This
was a lot of fun to discover Sunday evening when I had to leave Monday
afternoon.
When I left, with the Jeep still in pieces, the situation is one in which
Auto Zone is trying to work with their remanufacturer to get them to realize
that the AMC 258 engines *do* have some differences between years, and their
replacement system (this block is supposed to be the right one for 1981-1986)
leaves a bit to be desired. My brother is driving my Jeep during this week,
and hopefully Auto Zone will be abel to get this discrepancy resolved with
their supplier. (In their defense, Auto Zone has been just great, and has
seemed to really go out of their way to help get this problem resolved for
us.)
I'll keep you all updated as to the developments in this saga. Any advice
that can be added will be greatly appreciated. In the mean time, we are
trying to get the remanufacturer to get us a new long block with '84 heads,
and hopefully that will resolve the entire problem!
John Vandergrift, "Rock Doc"
John Vandergrift, "Rock Doc"
There are 2 Replies.
-- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
From Reno, NV USA on 07-May-1997 at 09:52:18 PDT
[Back to Top]Date: 07 May 97 13:38:07 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: More 258 info.
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FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 05-May-97 21:53:06
Subject: #38904-Jeep 258 woes - Msg Number #38913
From: GARY T. ZINGLER 105242,1272
To: John H. Vandergrift 72714,3260
Forum: FOURWD Section: 16 - Jeep Vehicles
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On the 258 engines with the plastic valve cover, have you ever tried the
aftermarket plastic valve covers distributed by Crown Automotive to four wheel
drive shops. I have found that using their cover with the aftermarket 3 piece
laminated gasket from Fel-Pro works very well and seems to hold up better than
any other combination. Glue to gasket to the cover first with some contact
cement. If the head of the engine doesn't have the two studs sticking up thru
the top of the cover, these two pieces are available thru any jeep dealer. If
you need the part number I can get it to you later.
-- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
From Reno, NV USA on 07-May-1997 at 09:54:06 PDT
[Back to Top]Date: 07 May 97 13:38:13 EDT
From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: More 258 info. (as in #3)
This was a response to an erratic oil pressure problem.
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FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 06-May-97 21:51:35
Subject: #38961-258 oil pressure - Msg Number #38996
From: GARY T. ZINGLER 105242,1272
To: JOE BURNS 104076,1162
Forum: FOURWD Section: 16 - Jeep Vehicles
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This is a very common problem with all jeep engines. If you unscrew the
sender off the side of the block, you'll see that it has a tiny pin hole where
the oil goes in to the sender to record the pressure. This little tiny hole
gets plugged very easy especially if you aren't religious on changing you oil.
Forget trying to clean it out. Just throw it away and get a new one, about
$15.00 . That should solve your problem.
-- Michael Baxter, 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
From Reno, NV USA on 07-May-1997 at 09:57:31 PDT
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:04:02 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap On May 7, 7:37am, GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap > In a message dated 97-05-07 03:10:16 EDT, you write: > > > > The TECH told me this on the phone once, and I asked whynot just produce > MAXIMUM number of MAXIMUM output sparls every shot? > > he did not have an answer, do any of you? > > ( im just too curious!) > >-- End of excerpt from GypsyLive-at-aol.com I don't know the physics or mechanics behind this, but evidently it is detrimental to have too much spark at certain RPM and engine load conditions. The folks at Jacobs could certainly tell you....it is part of their "pitch". They claim that this is why stock ignitions are underpowered, to find a middle ground between too much and not enough. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:13:08 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: Help with Identification Tony, something's not right with that 4-door Cherokee.... I have a 4-door Cherokee, they did make them for several years, there's just not a bumch of em out there. BUT, they do not have the wrap-around tail lights. They have the vertical tail lights that are not visible from the side, and have sidemarkers on the rear quarters that are just like the front sidemarkers only the fronts are amber and the rears are red. The bar across the front of the hood is stock. With the round headlights it is a '78 or older model. With the round turn signals and wrap around tail lights this is a Wagoneer. The Cherokees had the other tail lights (see above) and the turn signals were rectangular and mounted below the grill, Wags turn signals are IN the grill. If this is being sold as a Cherokee somethings up... Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:37:12 -0500 From: "Jeff Gunn" <jgunn-at-hou.varco.com> Subject: Re: CO flammable? On May 7, 10:36am, Dennis M. \Doc\ Fariello wrote: > Subject: CO flammable? > > >Carbon Monoxide is flamable and if the running vehicle is too > >rich there would be some unburned hydrocarbons > > 'scuse me? Carbon Monoxide is NOT flammable, and readily displaces > oxygen! No ozygen, no burning. > >-- End of excerpt from Dennis M. \Doc\ Fariello In fact, since CO is one of the reactants of equilibrium combustion. If it was combustible it wouldn't be around after combustion. Jeff[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 10:52:49 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Help with Identification At 09:23 07-05-97 CDT, you wrote: >Hey Folks, >It was a 4 door ( is there >such a thing as a 4door Cherokee??) V8 auto >tilt, a/c, sunroof, 4in susp lift and 3in >body lift, and had 38 in monster mudder. >Ok, now for ID, it had the wrap around >tail lights, backup lights (my 64 dont!), >round headlights and round turn signals in >the grill. Tony, yes there were 4 dr Chero's (narrow trac only) but with the wrap-around tail lights (never on a Chero) and the grill description I'd guess 75-78 Wagoneer. Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 10:42:42 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: JTruck or Cherokee > >So, I can't do any real mods on the wagon, so, I'm lookin for a JTruck or a >Cherokee. Anybody in the Southeast seen one of these things around lately? >I live in Huntsville, AL but don't mind driving a ways for a good deal. > >JB > JB, Check out the J-Trucks web page, there's a pretty decent classified section on it. Also if you have a fairly large library near you that carries other than local newspapers check into the Sunday edition of at least the New Orleans and Houston papers. There are occasionally a couple that show up in there. Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:57:37 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: CO flammable? >>Carbon Monoxide is flamable and if the running vehicle is too >>rich there would be some unburned hydrocarbons > > 'scuse me? Carbon Monoxide is NOT flammable, and readily displaces >oxygen! No ozygen, no burning. > 'scuse me! A room full of gas fumes will not burn if there's no oxygen. CO is flammable regardless of the fact that it displaces oxygen; the ability of one compound to displace another has *nothing* to do with it's propensity to be oxidized. The ability of one compound to displace another is related to density. (Hydrogen gas will readily displace all the oxygen in an inverted container. The people on the Hindenburg would say that H2 IS flammable.) CO is an unstable molecule which will readily accept another Oxygen molecule and release heat in the process; combustion- the whole point of the catalytic converter. Properly pressurized and mixed with a stoichiometric mass of oxygen, CO can be burned. It is listed as a gaseous fuel in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice", Charles Taylor, MIT Press, 1985, V1, page 46. It's not a very good fuel but it will "burn". The heat of combustion Qc, of Hydrogen is 61,045 btu/lb. That of gasoline is approximately 20,000 btu/lb. That of CO is 4,345 btu/lb. For chuckles, the Qc of solid carbon being burned to produce CO2 is 14,520 but/lb. fuel Qc(btu/lb) ------------------------------ Gasoline* 20,460 | Kerosene 19,750 |--Liquid fuels Light Diesel* 19,240 | Hydrogen 61,045 | Natural Gas* 24,100 | Methane 23,861 | Ethane 22,304 |--Gaseous fuels Propane 21,646 | Butane 21,293 | Acetylene 20,880 | Carbon Monoxide 4,345 | * These numbers are averages since these compounds consist of mixtures of flammable agents. All other fuels listed are homogeneous. Clearly Hydrogen would be a great fuel but it's energy density in gaseous form is very low (i.e. a pound of gaseous hydrogen takes up a lot of space). It's energy density in liquid form is *INCREDIBLY* high but it is very dangerous and difficult to store. JB P.S. CO has an affinity for human hemoglobin about 1000x greater than oxygen. That is why it will kill you in low concentrations- not because it displaces all the volume of O2 in your lungs. "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:48:59 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: business cards
Well, it's not non-copyrighted, but it's there for all of us to use...
http://www.inspace.net/~fariello/fsj/card.htm feel free to print them up
and distribute freely!
One question... are ya willing to print up enough for the rest of us?
We've been looking for someone to print them up for us.
>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:55:54 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
>Subject: FSJ business card
>
>Does anyone know where I can get a "non-copyrighted" b/w image that will
>print well (laser).
>I am looking to make some FSJ business cards that I can put on the
>windshields of FSJ's I come across in parking lots.
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:55:30 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: gear ratios vs. t-case
>Stock r&p for the NP 228 x-case is 2.73 and 3.31 with the NP 208 transfer
>case.
Naw... either case could have either gear set. I've owned SJs with the
208 'case and both gear ratios. The 3.31 is definitely better, especially
for off-road use, and tires anywhere bigger than 235/75R15.
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:00:08 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: state reps
>>>>
<excerpt>Date: Wed, 7 May 97 09:55:13 -0400
From: Phil_Horton-at-avid.com
Subject: actual mileage may vary, 'n other stuff (long)
Local FSJ reps: Me thinks Doc asked this Q last week. Good idea, and
my hand is up for New Hampster.
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Thanks, Phil!
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:53:47 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: It's baaaaaaaack...
Oh, no, hide the women, children, and silverware!!!
Welcome back, Mike! How was the trip?
> Everybody: It's back...
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:03:27 -0400
From: "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>
Subject: re: help with identification
>>round headlights and round turn signals in
>>the grill. The hood had a bar across the
>>bottom so it was flush with the top of the
>>grill
>
>Sounds like a '76 or '77 Wagoneer.
I've got a '73 junker with the round turn signals... does the grille have
"wings" that wrap around onto the front fenders?
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap In a message dated 97-05-07 15:46:21 EDT, you write: > > I don't know the physics or mechanics behind this, but evidently it is > detrimental to have too much spark at certain RPM and engine load > conditions. The folks at Jacobs could certainly tell you....it is part > of their "pitch". They claim that this is why stock ignitions are > underpowered, to find a middle ground between too much and not enough. > > Jeff > I was on the phone with JACOBS when I asked this question! Im not sure that whole microprocessor controlled spark optimizer isnt a load of BS, im sure there are benefits for multiple strong sparks though[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:14:26 -0400 (EDT) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: I NEED AN AXLE SHAFT FAST! NO DICE, the local yard pulled 6 shafts all were too short... the guy would not let me roam around the yard so i tried to explain what to look for... Ive exhausted every LOCAL source, now brabching to Joplin , Mo, and Branson, and Tulsa.. ++Jeepless ++[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:47:17 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: CO flammable? >On May 7, 10:36am, Dennis M. \Doc\ Fariello wrote: >> Subject: CO flammable? >> >> >Carbon Monoxide is flamable and if the running vehicle is too >> >rich there would be some unburned hydrocarbons >> >> 'scuse me? Carbon Monoxide is NOT flammable, and readily >displaces >> oxygen! No ozygen, no burning. >> >>-- End of excerpt from Dennis M. \Doc\ Fariello > >In fact, since CO is one of the reactants of equilibrium combustion. If >it was combustible it wouldn't be around after combustion. > Again, not exactly correct (see other post for more info.) What you have in the combustion chamber of an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) is certainly not equilibrium combustion. If it were, there would be no need for a catalytic converter or most of the emissions controls necessary to prevent the expulsion of unburned hydrocarbons which are always present and are also combustible. There is just no way you can arrive at equilibrium combustion in an explosive process such as in an ICE. This is one reason that the gas turbine burns more efficiently than a recriprocating engine. The combustion process is continuous unlike the discretized explosion in a recip. Also, note that knock is a process in which a secondary, highly oscillatory reaction takes place in the product gasses of the expanding combustion flame front. A combustion chamber is a highly nonlinear environment where most of the chemistry and physics we learned in high school and even college just really doesn't apply that well; second and third order effects are pronounced and many of the assumptions made in lower level studies are no longer valid. JB "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:47:29 -0500
From: "Sc0" <jjd-at-flex.net>
Subject: Edelbrock
AMC Performer (idle- 5500 rpm)
non EGR Manifold: $265.95
EGR $307.95
Camshaft Kit: $172.95
AMC Torker (3500-7500 rpm)
67-69 (non EGR) $298.95
1970 and later (non-EGR) $298.95
Hydraulic Lifters $83.95
Timing chain set $72.95
Valve covers (stamped) $52.95
Reusable air cleaner $26.95 (2 barrel) 2-5/8" neck
5-1/8" neck $19.95 (2/4 barrel)
that's a little listing of what they have for our AMC V8's...
"Who are we?"
Sc0
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:48:33 -0500 From: brewer-at-thaad.tecmas.com (John Brewer) Subject: Re: CO flammable? >>Carbon Monoxide is flamable and if the running vehicle is too >>rich there would be some unburned hydrocarbons > > 'scuse me? Carbon Monoxide is NOT flammable, and readily displaces >oxygen! No ozygen, no burning. > 'scuse me! A room full of gas fumes will not burn if there's no oxygen. CO is flammable regardless of the fact that it displaces oxygen; the ability of one compound to displace another has *nothing* to do with it's propensity to be oxidized. The ability of one compound to displace another is related to density. (Hydrogen gas will readily displace all the oxygen in an inverted container. The people on the Hindenburg would say that H2 IS flammable.) CO is an unstable molecule which will readily accept another Oxygen molecule and release heat in the process; combustion- the whole point of the catalytic converter. Properly pressurized and mixed with a stoichiometric mass of oxygen, CO can be burned. It is listed as a gaseous fuel in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice", Charles Taylor, MIT Press, 1985, V1, page 46. It's not a very good fuel but it will "burn". The heat of combustion Qc, of Hydrogen is 61,045 btu/lb. That of gasoline is approximately 20,000 btu/lb. That of CO is 4,345 btu/lb. For chuckles, the Qc of solid carbon being burned to produce CO2 is 14,520 but/lb. fuel Qc(btu/lb) ------------------------------ Gasoline* 20,460 | Kerosene 19,750 |--Liquid fuels Light Diesel* 19,240 | Hydrogen 61,045 | Natural Gas* 24,100 | Methane 23,861 | Ethane 22,304 |--Gaseous fuels Propane 21,646 | Butane 21,293 | Acetylene 20,880 | Carbon Monoxide 4,345 | * These numbers are averages since these compounds consist of mixtures of flammable agents. All other fuels listed are homogeneous. Clearly Hydrogen would be a great fuel but it's energy density in gaseous form is very low (i.e. a pound of gaseous hydrogen takes up a lot of space). It's energy density in liquid form is *INCREDIBLY* high but it is very dangerous and difficult to store. JB P.S. CO has an affinity for human hemoglobin about 1000x greater than oxygen. That is why it will kill you in low concentrations- not because it displaces all the volume of O2 in your lungs. "Any man who would trade liberty for security deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 97 16:40:31 CDT From: hanstr-at-cimsys01.aud.alcatel.com (Tony Hanson) Subject: Re: Help with Identification Thanks to all for the ID class. Now I know it is a Wag, it didn't have any of the nameplates on it and I couldnt find the VIN tag or read the Insp. I dropped by the place again at lunch, there was a motorcycle in the yard and the for sale sign was still there, but no answer at the front door. My card was gone from the windshield though.... Later... ___ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ ___ __ ___ ___ |__) /_\ |\/| / |_ | /_\ |__) / _ |__ |__) | Tony R. Hanson | \/ \| | \__ | | / \| \ \__)|__ | \ | hanstr-at-aud.alcatel.com Just pop the top and add mud for *real* fun!! | Richardson Texas USA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:05:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu> Subject: Re: business cards On Wed, 7 May 1997, Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello wrote: > Well, it's not non-copyrighted, but it's there for all of us to use... > http://www.inspace.net/~fariello/fsj/card.htm feel free to print them up > and distribute freely! I went amd printed out the BC... the site text isn't legible. Do you have anything else? > One question... are ya willing to print up enough for the rest of us? > We've been looking for someone to print them up for us. I don't mind printing them but I can't afford the paper... If someone wants some they can send the paper to me and I'll print them off. If the demand is great enough I can go get the paper and just charge for how many you want. (it might be cheaper this way, volume discount?!)[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:50:25 -0500 From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com> Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap why not just produce MAXIMUM number of MAXIMUM output sparks every shot? My guess is max number of max voltage/amp (not sure which they vary) sparks all the time would deteriorate the spark plug's center electrode faster than max number/max zap only when needed. Chicago Dave[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:18:39 -0500 From: "Dave Read"<DSREAD-at-hewitt.com> Subject: Re: CO flammable? CO is a product of incomplete combustion due to not enough oxygen. Both CO and unburned hydrocarbons may be around after incomplete combustion. The catalytic converter attempts to combust unwanted byproducts to completion, leaving only water and carbon dioxide.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 18:34:39 -0500 From: Joe Sego <jsego-at-mindspring.com> Subject: FSJ decal update Hello, Today I mailed fsj decals to- Joe S. Phil H. Karl S. Has anyone else sent for decals and has not received them? I still have around 30 or so to unload...er...ah...sell. More are available but not at the $3 each price. C'ya Joe ******************************************************** *1979 Cherokee Chief 360-QT-Th-400-Red 110,000 mi. * *1978 Jeep J-10 Levi 360-QT-Th-400-Brown- parts donor * *ARS KJ9D - Joe Sego Indianapolis, Indiana * * - home page http://www.mindspring.com/~jsego * ********************************************************[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:41:27 -0400 From: "Tim Johnson" <scoutman-at-postoffice.worldnet.att.net> (by way of "Dennis M. \"Doc\" Fariello" <fariello-at-inspace.net>) Subject: Vaccum Does anybody out there know where I can get a vaccum schematic for a '79 wagon runnin a 360? Help greatly app. Tim Johnson scoutman-at-worldnet.att.net[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:28:05 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: six pack and trannies...
> Subject: six-pack in Old Blue
>
> >I'll probably end up using the 4.0L and AW 4spd that's left over
> >after fixing the 88 xj
>
> I wouldn't use any of the Japanese manuals in an SJ, John... they're
> quite marginal even in an XJ. If you want a four-speed, get yourself a
> T-176 or T-18 or durn near any Ford transmission. The only difference
> between the Fords and the T-176 is the clutch disc and pilot bushing used,
> they're otherwise a direct bolt-in, I believe (the SROD is... same tranny).
>
the Aisin Warner is an automatic transmission. I've gotten mixed
reviews on it. I have a freshly rebuilt one in the gray wag. So
what I may do is swap the motor and tranny, rebuild the 4.0 that's
really gunky, but the FI and all worked superbly, best starting 4.0L
I've seen... just that durned rattle...
The AW in my 88 xj wagoneer has over 165,000 miles on it. I switched
it over to AMSOIL Synthetic ATF about 5,000 miles ago and the pan
and insides looked fine, don't think it's ever been rebuilt either...
john
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:30:38 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: FSJ-type business cards...
> From: Moake Brian <iw67-at-jove.acs.unt.edu>
> Subject: FSJ business card
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a "non-copyrighted" b/w image that will
> print well (laser).
> I am looking to make some FSJ business cards that I can put on the
> windshields of FSJ's I come across in parking lots.
> >
I took one of my pictures with me and Old Blue, emailed it to a print
shop and had my business cards made...
It's a little dark. Suppose you could use the FSJ symbol as a
background too...
my business card is on my web page...
http://www./~john/fsj-john.jpg
later,
john
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JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)
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[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:42:58 -0700
From: SuperKen <kenns-at-concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rubicon trail CA, May 17, 1997
SuperKen wrote:
>
> hello, my club and i will be attempting to traverse the Rubicon trail
> on the weekend of May, 16-18. i have room in MY Super for one person
> providing that person can provide camping gear/food for a weekend in the
> bush.
>
> BUT if anyone else can supply an FSJ that they feel is up to the
> challenge i want u to volunteer to convoy w/ me!
>
> i leave Concord, CA on the afternoon of the 16 heading for the, to
> be disclosed later, rendezvous SW of Lake Tahoe.
>
> Any takers??
> --
> Sincerely
>
> kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
> kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
> Super Wagoneer.
--
Sincerely
kenneth e. wetherall If a Wagoneer can go where a
kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can go, then it's a
Super Wagoneer.
[Back to Top]Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:03:03 -0700 From: Steve_Rosewarne-at-wink.com Subject: Jeepster Commando Yesterday I saw a shiny, orange Jeepster Commando parked on the street with a white top. It was in really great shape and had seat covers with a safari pattern on them that gave it that "just out for a drive on the tundra" look. Not sure what year it was though. Where do these fall in the Jeep scheme of things? How long ago did they stop making them? Steve[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:22:26 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: JTruck or Cherokee Joe Schaefer wrote: > > Check out the J-Trucks web page, there's a pretty decent classified section J-trucks wed page???... Inquiring Minds want to know! :) Bert Garrison 78' J-20, 360 4bbl, T-18 Edwards CA[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:25:06 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: Spark Plug Gap GypsyLive-at-aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-05-07 15:46:21 EDT, you write: > > > > > I don't know the physics or mechanics behind this, but evidently it is > > detrimental to have too much spark at certain RPM and engine load > > conditions. The folks at Jacobs could certainly tell you....it is part > > of their "pitch". They claim that this is why stock ignitions are > > underpowered, to find a middle ground between too much and not enough. > > > > Jeff > > > I was on the phone with JACOBS when I asked this question! > > Im not sure that whole microprocessor controlled spark optimizer isnt a load > of BS, im sure there are benefits for multiple strong sparks though > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > Go to any of the racing news groups and ask your queston... they all use multispark ignitions Bert[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:54:19 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: Jeepster Commando At 18:03 07-05-97 -0700, you wrote: > > >Yesterday I saw a shiny, orange Jeepster Commando parked on the street with >a white top. It was in really great shape and had seat covers with a safari >pattern on them that gave it that "just out for a drive on the tundra" >look. Not sure what year it was though. Where do these fall in the Jeep >scheme of things? How long ago did they stop making them? > >Steve Steve, The Commando was built from 1967-73. It's basically a CJ6 with sheet metal changes. After AMC bought the Co. they changed the grill to the combo Bronco/Scout style and they got even uglier... I love 'em though! I'm funny that way :) Check out the American Jeepster Club page. It's a fun site. You can get to it from the off-road.com page. Regards, -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:58:42 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: Re: WANTED: JTruck or Cherokee >J-trucks wed page???... Inquiring Minds want to know! :) > >Bert Garrison 78' J-20, 360 4bbl, T-18 >Edwards CA > The URL is http://www.mindspring.com/~us004765/jtrk.www.htm -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:00:49 +0000 From: "Russ Wylie" <rwylie-at-mail4.voicenet.com> Subject: Re: Jeepster Commando > Reply-to: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com > Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:03:03 -0700 > From: Steve_Rosewarne-at-wink.com > To: Multiple recipients of <fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com> > Subject: Jeepster Commando > > > Yesterday I saw a shiny, orange Jeepster Commando parked on the street with > a white top. It was in really great shape and had seat covers with a safari > pattern on them that gave it that "just out for a drive on the tundra" > look. Not sure what year it was though. Where do these fall in the Jeep > scheme of things? How long ago did they stop making them? I don' know when they stopped or started making them but I'd say from mid sixtes to like '71. They were built on the Cj-6 frame and therefore are not really an FSJ. I think the american jeepster club has a website off of the off-road.com jeep page. Russ[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:06:30 -0700 From: BG <garrison-at-ptw.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: JTruck or Cherokee Joe Schaefer wrote: > > >J-trucks wed page???... Inquiring Minds want to know! :) > > > >Bert Garrison 78' J-20, 360 4bbl, T-18 > >Edwards CA > > > > The URL is http://www.mindspring.com/~us004765/jtrk.www.htm > > -jj > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > Thanks Bert[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:52:45 -0600 From: "ARTHUR RUMPF" <ANRUMPF-at-worldnet.att.net> Subject: Crank-eating Turbo 400 Hey everybody, Great website! Sharing info is what it's all about. I'm new to the site and I have a question that may have been covered already. I have a 78 Wagoneer with a 360 and turbo 400 tranny. I dropped the tranny for some new seals and a shift kit. I figured it was a good time to change the rear main so I pulled the pan. I then discovered that the crank end play was 0.1" !!! The thrust surface was grooved so deep that one throw was rubbing on the center web. Didn't knock though. Seems there is some kind of problem that causes too much pressure in the tranny that pushes the torque converter against the crank and wears out the thrust bearing surface. A machinist friend of mine (who had a spare crank) remembers the same problem in a Pontiac turbo 400 (used to pull a big trailer) years ago but not the fix. Premier Performance said a clogged tranny cooling line could cause this but I couldn't find anything obvious in this area. Any ideas/old service bulletins etc. before I do in my new crank? Also I have a 401 that is totally worn out that I would eventually like to rebuild for this jeep. Anyone have any part numbers for interchangeable parts for the inside (rocker arms, etc.)? Just for general info my other jeep, 79 Cherokee 4dr with 360, turbo 400, SP2P manifold, Holley 2 BBL Projection, part-time overdrive kit and 3.02 gears, stock tires, gets 12 -14 mpg in town and 15 -16 on the highway. Just passed emissions here in Albuquerque and was running clean enough to pass the 1997 vehicle standards. The technician couldn't believe it! Haven't four wheeled in it yet (the wife has declared it hers) so I need to get the 78 on the road!! I've already put a 4" Softride lift and poly bushings in it. Contemplating which transfer to put back in, a 1:1 quadratrack with a good chain or an overdrive part-time that needs a new chain. It's got 3.50 gears and a truetrac in the rear. Any thoughts/info? Thanks for any help! Art PS. The 79 had a terrible wander when I first got it. The steering wouldn't self-center so it went from one side of the road to the other. After many wrong guesses it turned out to be the ball joints. They were so stiff it took two hands and some muscle to turn the spindle with no tie rod connected. The local front end shop wanted $400 to change them. Did it myself for $60 in parts and a wheel alignment! Wasn't too hard. Thought this might help someone else.[Back to Top]
Date: Thu, 8 May 97 03:04:07 UT From: "ROBERT MACLAY" <MACJEEPER-at-msn.com> Subject: CA FSJ chapter Hey guys what do I need to do to get into the No. CA chapter? I'm live near Fairfield, CA. Owner of the 1970 J-3000 P/U last seen at Grass Valley Winter Fun Festival this spring. Truck originally bought near Tucson, AZ south near Green Valley in Aug. '90 with 68,000 miles. With 350 V-8, T-18, D20. Where can I get my pictures put onto a page within the FSJ group? I have some articulating shots of my truck! Talk later, Mac macjeeper-at-msn.com[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:23:14 -0400 From: Kevin McConn <kmcconn-at-gte.net> Subject: Re: CO flammable? Hi Doc, CO isn't flammable - true, but it will explode when heated (I believe around 1500 to 2000 degrees, I'll check tomorrow at work.) I think probably the problem would be unburned hydrocarbons though. I'll ask the hazmat guys for their opinion... Kevin[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:10:01 -0700 From: Joe Schaefer <joes-at-olympus.net> Subject: CO/apology My apologies for starting a seemingly useless thread... The welding/working on a gas tank thing that I mentioned works. Been there done that etc... I have blown up one and survived by using 'other' methods... I'm sure "on paper" and in "laboratory conditions" CO will burn. Also on paper and/or lab conditions I'm sure wet mud will burn too. In the "real" world it(CO) won't... Yeah if you're running raw gas through your tail pipe...boom. If you can't figure that part out, you've no business welding on a fuel tank in the first place. It's the law...Darwin's. Sorry to offend the commonsensicly impaired but this not space shuttle stuff folks. Sheesh........ -jj[Back to Top]
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:07:49 +0000
From: "john meister" <john-at->
Subject: Re: 83 Wagoneer
> John,
>
> The mechanic said that he did not have time to attatch a guage of his
> own, so your idea about a faulty gauge could be right on. I was not
> there when the mechanic checked it out. However he said that the oil
> pan was leaking, the front seal and oil pump were leaking, the yoke on
> trans loose and leaking, engine mounts ng and trans mount bolts loose.
> He said most of those things were small fixes except for the low Oil
> pressure.
It cost me about $250 to have my rear main seal replaced. My oil
pump still leaks some. I haven't had to replace engine mounts, but
did the trans mounts, etc. Minor stuff. What would have given you
a better idea was a compression check, or watch the color of the
exhaust. On all the other leaks, I think it cost me about $150 to
have that and some other stuff done.
The problems he identified are VERY common among the 360's and
nothing to worry about. You could drive them for years without
problmes... I did... :-)
>
> I spoke with the owner today and he said the guage has been reading low
> as long as he has owned the jeep (1 year). He is going to look into it
> though. He is going to have his own mechanic check it out. So who
> knows, if it checks out ok then maybe I will buy it. He said that it is
> a Limited package with leather interior, and that the rear passenger
> power windows do not work. Any idea how much the motors for the windows
> cost?
the motors are probably fine, it's the connectors and grounds more
than likely. MIne work ok now after cleaning all the connectors, and
if they don't, it's probably the switch assembly at the drivers door.
They have a bazillion connectors in this system... I'm still
chasing a few minor bugs like that too. On my 67 I just rewired the
whole thing, of course it didn't have all the power toys...
>
> Thanks again for all of your advice. Hope I am not being a pest.
>> Regards,
> > Bob Gaffney
You're welcome, no you're not being a pest, I'm glad I can help.
These rigs are fantastic. I've got three jeeps right now, 2 88 xj
wagoneers and my 81 SJ.
All limiteds, all leather, power goodies, etc. I'd sell both 88's
and my wife's car before I'd give up Old Blue. However, if someone
came up to me and offered me enough money for Old Blue I'd probably
sell it and be looking for a late model (86 and up) GW with a
sunroof...
I've done a lot of interstate, autobahn and high speed driving in
everything from a large Greyhound type bus to a VW Karmann Ghia,
including BMW sedans, Mustangs, Vans and so on. Nothing I've ever
owned felt like Old Blue. At 75mph it was wonderful. Quiet, smooth
and outstanding visibility. The closest thing I can compare it to
would be my Mercedes 450SEL or my BMW 2500 sedan. Neither of them
had the height advantage though... The 450 got about the same
mileage as Old Blue... the BMW got about 26mpg... (On the FSJ's
the tires make the ride it seems. I'm running Michelin XLT's, very
nice tire, but not much good for serious off-road stuff... So I've
decided to continue building Old Blue for street and mild trail. May
very well put a 4.0L and AW4sp AT tranny in him in hopes of getting
better mileage. The little xj wagoneer is heading toward a serious
trail rig. Have the rs9000's sitting in the back, 3 inch lift kit
due any day, and then some decent tires... also have to have the
Trac-Loc redone...
Oh well. Happy shopping.
john
>
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Snohomish, WA USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
JEEPS:(Wagoneer Limited 81 SJ & 88 xj)
no Jesus = no peace <-> know Jesus = know peace
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